The long DIVA thread

[iMag1ne]

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Hello,

I just downloaded the Diva beta yesterday and had some great fun!

I must say its alot of fun to program this synth

Here is what I came up with so far ( been mostly just tweaking and testing without saving the sounds)

http://speedy.sh/W5qAf/iMa-sounds.rar (http://speedy.sh/W5qAf/iMa-sounds.rar)

I'd love to hear what you think of it

[sqigls]

...Urs, she's a dirty girl.

This is best sounding soft synth I've tweaked this millenium, how long will she be at the lower price?? I need to save my pennies, but I can't miss out on the savings...





"Whores will have their trinkets." - Bernard Black

[Urs]

...Urs, she's a dirty girl.

This is best sounding soft synth I've tweaked this millenium, how long will she be at the lower price?? I need to save my pennies, but I can't miss out on the savings...

Thank you - the price will be up until 31st of December...

[Urs]

Ok... Q quantises the envelopes, much like the digital envelopes of Jupiter 6, Alpha Juno, Matrix 6, Prophet 08, among many others. This causes some chirpy artifacts, that ancient synthesis purists might suggest to be important. For that kind of feel.

C creates an S-curved envelope shape that is extra snappy (in an almost inaudible way) which we think sets the Jupiter 6' envelopes apart from its digital siblings. (the Jupiter 6 has digital envelopes, and the snappiest ones on earth... I think)

So...

Q on, C off would give you an Alpha Juno style envelope?
Q on, C on for Jupiter 6 envelopes
Q off, C off for artifact-free digital envelopes (Andromeda?)
Q off, C on for artifact-free (high quality?) J6 envelopes

Did I get that right?

That's basically where the inspiration comes from, yes. Of course you don't have those extra stages and stuff that Alpha Junos and Andromedas have.

[Ameyah Audio]

next beta test vid - this time with more processing ...



i really like the sound of the low pad and the sub bass.
i dont have any clue how to get the pad wider :/ its to thick packed ...

so i guess diva will find a home for sure here ...

took me a while to get the nordlead sounding pluck u hear at the start.
and the noise effect comes also from the diva sampled noise.

i guess a bit more playing around and i'll land somewhere

[euklid.fox]

wow, first i was full of doubts, but i tweaked the demo all night long and it's really awesome. georgous. amazing job! i till now only found few patchs on virus powercore or sylenth were sounding 'not too digital', but diva is bringing a new high level i was awaiting for long.

i howewer fail to understand something: there are no phase restart/phase setting per osc? of course it's most of the time warmer or 'more analog' to get phase fluctuations, but more than 50 percent of strong electro basses need to have perfect timing and phase being same each note, ultimately phased with kick sustain frequency. even it i set both sync, i can hear and see on an oscilloscope that phase is slighlty rolling, messing phases relationships even for same note, do i miss something? forgive me if it has been discussed before, i read up to page 40, but no time to read 115 pages

[zvenx]

others have mentioned it and I think urs said he would look into adding that feature.
rsp

[euklid.fox]

oh cool news, thanks. i really understand and agree diva should stay very simple, with only great sounding osc, filters en enveloppes, but the osc has to be modular enough, phase offset and restart is an absolutely needed feature imho (may i add a simple reverse/invert too..), lot of 'electro' customers need that especially for bass (i personally make psy trance, and really 99 percent of psy trance bass are strongly phazed, but this apply to many other genres and all kind of 'percussive' sounds). cool if planned, if so im in fore sure!

[olikana]

a technical question for urs or any of the devs.
do coding difficulties still exist in software that make cross modulation very difficult to achieve with 100% like analog results?
is it still aliasiing the problem or there's more?
i've yet to find a soft synth that give me full satisfaction in cross modulation...so far is the only aspect of diva that is not stellar.
(but not having any moog with cross mod or jupiter8 i cannot point the finger at anything with certainty... )

[Urs]

a technical question for urs or any of the devs.
do coding difficulties still exist in software that make cross modulation very difficult to achieve with 100% like analog results?
is it still aliasiing the problem or there's more?
i've yet to find a soft synth that give me full satisfaction in cross modulation...so far is the only aspect of diva that is not stellar.
(but not having any moog with cross mod or jupiter8 i cannot point the finger at anything with certainty... )

Aliasing.

The oscillator fm in the Minimoog is rather subtle. We're talking a range of +/- an octave and a bit at max, + about an octave with square wave master. Not quite what you'd expect for analogue fm. No big deal but also not a big feature IMHO.

The complete opposite in a Jupiter. I'd say +/- 4 octaves maybe. No go for plugin land yet without considerable artifacts...

[carrieres]

Aliasing.

The oscillator fm in the Minimoog is rather subtle. We're talking a range of +/- an octave and a bit at max, + about an octave with square wave master. Not quite what you'd expect for analogue fm. No big deal but also not a big feature IMHO.

The complete opposite in a Jupiter. I'd say +/- 4 octaves maybe. No go for plugin land yet without considerable artifacts...

i don't understand the problem because there is some nice sounding fm plugin rhino, fm8, toxic, sitrus ...

[Urs]

Aliasing.

The oscillator fm in the Minimoog is rather subtle. We're talking a range of +/- an octave and a bit at max, + about an octave with square wave master. Not quite what you'd expect for analogue fm. No big deal but also not a big feature IMHO.

The complete opposite in a Jupiter. I'd say +/- 4 octaves maybe. No go for plugin land yet without considerable artifacts...

i don't understand the problem because there is some nice sounding fm plugin rhino, fm8, toxic, sitrus ...

Well, digital FM is actual phase modulation, and it's commonly carried out with sine waves.

Analogue FM is actual frequency modulation and carried out with whatever waveform you have. As such it's much much more prone to aliasing - and we all know that digital FM aliases quickly as well.

[EvilDragon]

So, not even 8x oversampling isn't enough?

[carrieres]

thanks Urs, i have to keep my analog synth

[Urs]

So, not even 8x oversampling isn't enough?

Well, oversampling alone doesn't cut it. You need to bandlimit the oscillators *before* the actual modulation, which is rather difficult for the slave... Otherwise you don't get many benefits from oversampling - no matter what factor, all you get is less than a single octave of headroom. Which is easily consumed even with modest fm.