Using DIVA has inspired me to make my Zebra patches more sloppy. Does anyone have any recommendations?
Zebra seems to have the smoothest sounding digital oscillators I have heard in a VST, and with plenty of depth in the modulation section, there should be plenty of scope.
Random Glide LFOs and Oscillator Effect modulation seem a good place to start.
Sloppy Zebra?
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- u-he
- 30221 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
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- KVRAF
- 3817 posts since 8 Mar, 2006
Yeah, about that....
Urs, can you please consider to ...maybe double the modulation matrix space?
Atm, I almost always run out of space in there and it's hard to reconsider what modulation assignment to cancel for something else.
...(talk about frustration in some cases.)
Plus, with the upcoming Zebra 2.6 features (like MMods, extra MMaps and other stuff) I really, really could use some more modulation slots.
Pretty pleeeaazz! ^^
Urs, can you please consider to ...maybe double the modulation matrix space?
Atm, I almost always run out of space in there and it's hard to reconsider what modulation assignment to cancel for something else.
...(talk about frustration in some cases.)Plus, with the upcoming Zebra 2.6 features (like MMods, extra MMaps and other stuff) I really, really could use some more modulation slots.
Pretty pleeeaazz! ^^
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
@3ee: Really!?! Personally, I find there are already *too many* modulation slots!
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 135 posts since 19 Dec, 2008
The Modmaps are great, loving the visual feedback too.Urs wrote:ModMappers. Check them out, learn them.
The question is, what modulation characteristics would make Zebra more loose & sloppy like DIVA?
LFO smooth type? free or restart? Random steps? Sine wave or random glide?
To modulate the Cutoff (filter in the oscillator effects section), phase/pw, tune and some controls in the envelope section (not sure how yet).
Not that I expect any secrets about inner workings of DIVA... just want to get the best possible sounds from Zebra in relation to what DIVA has inspired.
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- KVRAF
- 3817 posts since 8 Mar, 2006
Yes, I almost always run out of them,Howard wrote:@3ee: Really!?! Personally, I find there are already *too many* modulation slots!
especially true when physical modelling with Zebra. (and Zebra is great for physical modelling)Ironically, less modules requires more modulation to animate it.
All the round robin, velocity and keyboard optimizations take allot of space... not to mention optimizing the main texture.
If you tried having a bunch of modulations going on and though that it messes up the end result... well, I found that's true when using allot of modules, but not modulations.
Plus, I do use modulation resources quite sparingly and still run out of free space
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- KVRAF
- 3817 posts since 8 Mar, 2006
Zebra already has these things in one way or another, but I would welcome a mono/poly LFO switch.j0hnny wrote: LFO smooth type? free or restart? Random steps? Sine wave or random glide?
To modulate the Cutoff (filter in the oscillator effects section), phase/pw, tune and some controls in the envelope section (not sure how yet).
Atm, you got the GLFOs in Zebra which are mono and the rest are poly.Zebra 2.5.2 has a smooth LFO mode and free vs restart (free, gate)
To randomize values use the MMaps in alternate mode I think.'
Sounds like you need to explore Zebra more.
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Bronto Scorpio Bronto Scorpio https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=98170 - KVRAF
- 5546 posts since 13 Feb, 2006 from Wiesmoor, Germany
To get a random value on each note you can also use a stepped random LFO with the rate turned to 0
Cheers
Dennis
Cheers
Dennis
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 135 posts since 19 Dec, 2008
Thanks for the replies everyone, though I think the original question I posed was lost in translation.
To be more clear. What method of modulation is best to emulate the inconsistencies of electronic circuitry?
Urs has already hinted at ModMappers, so maybe random values stepped as Bronto Scorpio mentioned above could be the key.
To be more clear. What method of modulation is best to emulate the inconsistencies of electronic circuitry?
Urs has already hinted at ModMappers, so maybe random values stepped as Bronto Scorpio mentioned above could be the key.
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- KVRAF
- 3817 posts since 8 Mar, 2006
...mod mappers and LFOs ?To be more clear. What method of modulation is best to emulate the inconsistencies of electronic circuitry?
it depends what are you trying to do... 1st you got to understand the behaviour of the real hardware.. than understand what the modules do inside Zebra... piece of cake really
for example pitch (phase) drifts: pitch modulated by random glide slow LFO.
alternating static values: modmapper in alternating mode modulating parameter of choice....
quantized envelopes: a bit more tricky.... better upload an example
Here you go, all in one: http://www.box.com/s/pdnadp8e8h87yjqj0kv0
Did I miss something?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 135 posts since 19 Dec, 2008
Thanks for the example 3ee!
It sounds much better than my first attempt and uses less modulation too.
Urs, I can see the light in your reply now too.
Ill get my head down and look at that thing called the manual then.
Fantastic VST by the way
It sounds much better than my first attempt and uses less modulation too.
Urs, I can see the light in your reply now too.
Ill get my head down and look at that thing called the manual then.
Fantastic VST by the way