Hardware required for Diva, what are you using?

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hakey wrote:With respect to the OP, the question of how many voices of the most cpu intensive patch a new system can handle has more relevance (it's unlikely that anyone will be thinking about buying a 4 year old machine to run Diva).
This isn't a contest - people who still use 2007/8 computers might like to participate and compare results. Then perhaps they will upgrade and use "divine" more ;)

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Howard wrote:
hakey wrote:With respect to the OP, the question of how many voices of the most cpu intensive patch a new system can handle has more relevance (it's unlikely that anyone will be thinking about buying a 4 year old machine to run Diva).
This isn't a contest - people who still use 2007/8 computers might like to participate and compare results. Then perhaps they will upgrade and use "divine" more ;)
Precisely.

This could be a good measure to determine what one can expect through a computer upgrade with respect to DIVA.

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Sonar X1 64-bit Win 7
Focusrite Saffire Pro 14 @ 44.1 kHz with 3072 samples (max.) latency setting
Audio drivers at 24-bit depth Sonar engine at 64-bit double precision
core i7-2600k @ 4.4 GHz

CPU% from Task Monitor average

Computer system running standard my usual every-day routines including Firefox 8 and Task Monitor


10 instances of Diva INIT Alpha patch - Divine - voices at 16 each instance - volume 10

1 note - 21% CPU
2 notes -40% CPU
3 notes - 55% CPU occasional stuttering - no dropouts.

10 instances of Diva INIT Alpha patch - Great - voices at 16 each instance - volume 10

1 note - 15%
2 notes - 29%
3 notes - 41%
4 notes - 53% occasional stuttering - no dropouts

10 instances of Diva INIT Alpha patch - Fast - voices at 16 each instance - volume 10

1 note - 12%
2 notes - 19%
3 notes - 25%
4 notes - 34%
5 notes - 38%
6 notes - 49%
7 notes - 55% occasional stuttering - no dropouts

10 instances of Diva INIT Alpha patch - Draft - voices at 16 each instance - volume 10

1 note - 5%
2 notes - 9%
3 notes - 12%
4 notes - 13%
5 notes - 17%
6 notes - 20%
7 notes - 21%
8 notes - 22%
9 notes - 24%
...
19 notes - started to stutter - no dropouts
Jim Hurley - experimental music
Windows 10 Pro (20H2 19042.662); i9-9900K@5.1GHz;
Cakewalk; Adam Audio A8X; Axiom 61

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Howard wrote:
hakey wrote:With respect to the OP, the question of how many voices of the most cpu intensive patch a new system can handle has more relevance (it's unlikely that anyone will be thinking about buying a 4 year old machine to run Diva).
This isn't a contest - people who still use 2007/8 computers might like to participate and compare results. Then perhaps they will upgrade and use "divine" more ;)
Mine is from 2007 but was/is already a Quad Core (Core 2 Quad Q6600). :wink:
Based on that comparing CPUs from 2007 seems to be a valid point...


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Win 10 Home 64-bit / mobile i7-7700HQ 2.8 GHz / 16GB RAM //
Live 10 Suite / Cubase Pro 9.5 / Pro Tools Ultimate 2021 // NI Komplete Kontrol S61 Mk1

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Howard wrote:
hakey wrote:With respect to the OP, the question of how many voices of the most cpu intensive patch a new system can handle has more relevance (it's unlikely that anyone will be thinking about buying a 4 year old machine to run Diva).
This isn't a contest - people who still use 2007/8 computers might like to participate and compare results. Then perhaps they will upgrade and use "divine" more ;)
Which bit of my post said or even implied it was a contest? :?

For people *like myself* with vintage machines, how well a spanking new fast cpu handles Diva's expensive patches is of real interest. How other people's old machines perform is neither here nor there.

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hakey wrote:For people *like myself* with vintage machines, how well a spanking new fast cpu handles Diva's expensive patches is of real interest. How other people's old machines perform is neither here nor there.
For you, OK. But for others it will be both "here and there" IMHO.
And... of course anyone can post any stats they like!

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On an Intel Core i7 860 @ 2.80GHz here, test patch "INIT Alpha":

Divine: 5 voices
Great: 6 voices
Fast: 11 voices
Draft: all 16 (using about 60% of the one core it's running on)

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I want an i7 toooooo!!!!!!!

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Howard wrote:of course anyone can post any stats they like!
27% of female lottery winners hid their winning ticket in their bras. :P

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99% of computer audio software owners are insecure.

Or, maybe they're not...
Jim Hurley - experimental music
Windows 10 Pro (20H2 19042.662); i9-9900K@5.1GHz;
Cakewalk; Adam Audio A8X; Axiom 61

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In 50% of all cases, the opposite of a fact is also true.

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gray_ wrote:I've had no problems with i5-2500k overclocked to 4.4GHz.
Damn, is there smoke pouring out of that thing?

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sqigls wrote:
gray_ wrote:I've had no problems with i5-2500k overclocked to 4.4GHz.
Damn, is there smoke pouring out of that thing?
When I was overclocking (in my case an i7-2600K) I had my finger on the bottom of the heatsink.

While running an Intel Burn-in test at 4.8GHz, the CPU temperature got to 80 degrees C, but was still stable.

To my finger, the heatsink was warm, but no way was it hot.

I decided to keep things at 4.4 GHz to stay under 72 degrees C always.

If you go with the new liquid cooling fans you could probably reach 5 GHz and be stable - but there is a certain luck-of-the-draw in getting a magic CPU.

Your choice of memory will also make an impact on the overall performance.

And pump noise is different from fan noise - plus there may be some long-term issues with liquid cooling and some bad disaster scenarios. The thermal mass of the liquid coolers is small, so if the pump fails it will overheat easily.

Obligatory stat- 37.8% of KVRers would rather post than make music.

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Here are my results

DAW: MacPro 2008 2 x Quadcore 2,8 GHz
Cubase 6.05, Project at 44,1 KHz and 24 Bit
Buffer Size: 256 samples

max. Notes playing same time (triggered from cubase) without crackling, using INIT Alpha with 16 Voices
draft: 16
fast: 12
great: 7
divine: 5

this isn't bad for a Mac build eary 2008, what do you think?

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Oddly enough the number of voices I get is linked to how high the MIDI notes are, so I did C3 + the next n MIDI notes

2.4ghz Core2Duo MacBook, Live 8

Mode || Buffer [ 128 ] [ 256 ] [ 512+ ]

Draft: [ 16 ] [ 16 ] [ 16 ]
Fast: [ 9 ] [ 10 ] [ 10 ]
Great: [ 4 ] [ 6 ] [ 6 ]
Divine: [ 3 ] [ 3 ] [ 4 ]

IMO there really are sounds nothing else does well enough to sound 'right', and I figure that list in my head might expand with more CPU so seeing results is really informative. Definitely don't find Diva unusable though.

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