? In theory...aciddose wrote:plugins could in theory distribute load across threads/cores, but most won't.
Kontakt's done this since version 2.
Most CPU efficient host?
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- KVRAF
- 4054 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Hamilton, New Zealand
Kontakt's done this since version 2.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
i see you missed my point.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Wow, I go to watch a little tv and things just blow up!
Anyways, the endless debating is.........endless. Again, instead of the speculation, just download the demo (it's fully functional) and run some plugs in it. See what is happening. YMMV, but it's better than paying the t...l booth.
Anyways, the endless debating is.........endless. Again, instead of the speculation, just download the demo (it's fully functional) and run some plugs in it. See what is happening. YMMV, but it's better than paying the t...l booth.
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
But of course, Native Instruments recommends turning multi-threading OFF inside the plugin and letting the host handle it. The multi-core settings are recommended for standalone mode. There have always been some issues on some systems with dropped notes and other anomalies when letting the plugin handle it.metamorphosis wrote:? In theory...aciddose wrote:plugins could in theory distribute load across threads/cores, but most won't.
Kontakt's done this since version 2.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
how does examination of something lend you any insight if you have absolutely no idea what you're looking at?
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
I think you are just having everyone on.Let's see, now, we CERTAINLY couldn't gather information from having several hosts on the SAME COMPUTER and then using the SAME PLUG INS with the SAME SETTINGS to check, now could we
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- KVRAF
- 16977 posts since 23 Jun, 2010 from north of London ON
Maybe we can....but not all at once.
oh...don't forget the stopwatch.
oh...don't forget the stopwatch.
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- 6657 posts since 10 Oct, 2005 from Toronto, Canada
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
But how could we tell if the stopwatch is right? Did anyone test the stopwatch? How reliable is the stopwatch? Is a a stopwatch an accurate time measurement device?trimph1 wrote:Maybe we can....but not all at once.
oh...don't forget the stopwatch.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
And don't even get started about the whole relativity of time itself, don't go there, it's a big big can of worm poohibidy wrote:But how could we tell if the stopwatch is right? Did anyone test the stopwatch? How reliable is the stopwatch? Is a a stopwatch an accurate time measurement device?trimph1 wrote:Maybe we can....but not all at once.
oh...don't forget the stopwatch.
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- KVRAF
- 13124 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
I'm not debating anything here, I'm just asking questions. For the record I've done a lot of what's called black box testing of plug-in loads, using different hosts on the same computer. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the interaction between a host and a plug-in, so I can't say for sure what the results of my testing really mean.
That said, accurate/scientific test results don't necessarily mean anything to an end-user. In that regard, you could argue that loading a plug-in on several different hosts using the same computer is the best way to establish plug-in performance.
It's all good. I'm just trying to learn stuff.
That said, accurate/scientific test results don't necessarily mean anything to an end-user. In that regard, you could argue that loading a plug-in on several different hosts using the same computer is the best way to establish plug-in performance.
It's all good. I'm just trying to learn stuff.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
Yeah, my posting a poll on an internet forum was never supposed to be a 'scientific' study, just what people's opinion was based on their personal experience, I also just wanted to learn stuffjustin3am wrote:I'm not debating anything here, I'm just asking questions. For the record I've done a lot of what's called black box testing of plug-in loads, using different hosts on the same computer. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the interaction between a host and a plug-in, so I can't say for sure what the results of my testing really mean.
That said, accurate/scientific test results don't necessarily mean anything to an end-user. In that regard, you could argue that loading a plug-in on several different hosts using the same computer is the best way to establish plug-in performance.
It's all good. I'm just trying to learn stuff.
and possibly find a more efficient host. This means more of course the slower your computer is, I don't think I would be so interested if I had a brand new machine.If you have requests for Korg VST features or changes, they are listening at https://support.korguser.net/hc/en-us/requests/new
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
I don't think anything is directed at you justin, I just think aciddose is either putting us on or refuses to understand a few simple things.
I don't think 50% of the voters are just simply reaper users. I don't think that all the people who DON'T use reaper as their primary host are just SAYING they think it's the most efficient, and I don't think even the biggest fanboi's (which I used to be) are just making it up.
If you go test a car, do you drive one up a hill, then go offroading with another and then go drag racing with the next and then decide? Of course not, you'd drive them on the same roads with roughly the same conditions. Is it an absolutely perfect test......no. But close enough!
It's pretty f'n obvious that if you have the same test parameters (er a, same computer
) that you are going to be able to extract reasonable comparisons.
I don't think 50% of the voters are just simply reaper users. I don't think that all the people who DON'T use reaper as their primary host are just SAYING they think it's the most efficient, and I don't think even the biggest fanboi's (which I used to be) are just making it up.
If you go test a car, do you drive one up a hill, then go offroading with another and then go drag racing with the next and then decide? Of course not, you'd drive them on the same roads with roughly the same conditions. Is it an absolutely perfect test......no. But close enough!
It's pretty f'n obvious that if you have the same test parameters (er a, same computer
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
that test would show you that under those specific conditions on those particular roads with you as the driver driving in your own particular style, one or the other was your own preference.
yeah you can get relative measurements easily enough. is that what people are talking about? i already covered that in the post where i said "reaper could easily beat other hosts just by doing a few things right where other hosts most likely do them wrong."
it's just interesting to identify why.
in my opinion - although you might find that one host is "better" than another, if you can't identify why you can't really say anything. you're forced to only be able to say "under this list of every condition the test was run under, i got this result."
that doesn't really mean a whole lot though.
for example the issue that some hosts are better with some plugins. i mentioned alignment of buffers. this would matter far more if the plugins ran over the buffers multiple times - for example once per voice is common.
for plugins that only ran over buffers once, it wouldn't matter as much while other issues like spanning of page boundaries would start to matter. (not being aligned to a page means the cache can get filled with junk.)
it's easy to just lump everything in together and say oh well host X is the best, end of story. that's fine if you want to do that and if you're happy with that then congratulations. you haven't really learned anything that way though.
yeah you can get relative measurements easily enough. is that what people are talking about? i already covered that in the post where i said "reaper could easily beat other hosts just by doing a few things right where other hosts most likely do them wrong."
it's just interesting to identify why.
in my opinion - although you might find that one host is "better" than another, if you can't identify why you can't really say anything. you're forced to only be able to say "under this list of every condition the test was run under, i got this result."
that doesn't really mean a whole lot though.
for example the issue that some hosts are better with some plugins. i mentioned alignment of buffers. this would matter far more if the plugins ran over the buffers multiple times - for example once per voice is common.
for plugins that only ran over buffers once, it wouldn't matter as much while other issues like spanning of page boundaries would start to matter. (not being aligned to a page means the cache can get filled with junk.)
it's easy to just lump everything in together and say oh well host X is the best, end of story. that's fine if you want to do that and if you're happy with that then congratulations. you haven't really learned anything that way though.
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Free plug-ins for Windows, MacOS and Linux. Xhip Synthesizer v8.0 and Xhip Effects Bundle v6.7.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
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- KVRAF
- 13124 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
Ha! Just caught this bit. I've been learning to program assembly and C++ for PICs, AVRs, ARMs and stuff like that for USB audio and MIDI devices... still all this plug-in/DAW stuff seems alien to me.aciddose wrote:the only way to really learn about this stuff and get a really clear picture is to be a programmer unfortunately.
I'll get there eventually.