Most CPU efficient host?

[braj]

that test would show you that under those specific conditions on those particular roads with you as the driver driving in your own particular style, one or the other was your own preference.

Not necessarily 'personal preference.' There are things like road noise, acceleration, handling, visibility, so many things that can be judged independent of personal preference. i know I've test driven cars and found one superior but still I can't help but be in love with another. My owning an Alfa Romeo Spider way back when attests to this

I tried Live, S1 and Reaper on the same machine, I love Live and wanted to like S1 but it was really clear that Reaper was the most efficient regarding the CPU. The reason for a poll was to kind of find an average opinion, instead of just a thread filled with opinions with 'whoever post most wins.' A poll at least seemed more reliable than that

[justin3am]

I don't think anything is directed at you justin...

Ah, I understand. No worries then. In the context of the OP, yeah, I can understand that the discussion has turned toward the academic side.
Still, I'm glad that there are folks here that are willing to discuss the academic side of things, even if it doesn't apply to practical use.

[aciddose]

really? you should just do a few vst plugins. they're extremely simple.

it's just a c-struct with some function pointers and a few variables in it. the host just calls plugin->dispatch(something, variables, ...); and plugin->process(input, output, samples);

that's about it. just writing a plugin would give you a huge insight into how things work. you'd also need to know about all this cache/memory management/alignment for sse/page boundaries and so on endlessly to start to figure out where the differences can come from though.

[aciddose]

Not necessarily 'personal preference.' There are things like road noise, acceleration, handling, visibility, so many things that can be judged independent of personal preference. i know I've test driven cars and found one superior but still I can't help but be in love with another. My owning an Alfa Romeo Spider way back when attests to this

not necessarily, no. you just listed a selection of objective criteria which can be selected from subjectively to form an opinion though. what about if road noise is your primary concern, while mine is handling? we'll produce radically different ratings.

that's what i'm talking about.

all i'm saying is that sure reaper can be faster in specific cases. i'd just like to identify why and in which cases.

[hibidy]

I still think AD is putting us on. The STAUNCH refusal to accept anything anyone is saying

[braj]

Not necessarily 'personal preference.' There are things like road noise, acceleration, handling, visibility, so many things that can be judged independent of personal preference. i know I've test driven cars and found one superior but still I can't help but be in love with another. My owning an Alfa Romeo Spider way back when attests to this

not necessarily, no. you just listed a selection of objective criteria which can be selected from subjectively to form an opinion though. what about if road noise is your primary concern, while mine is handling? we'll produce radically different ratings.

that's what i'm talking about.

Yeah but this poll is all about subjective perception of observed CPU use (so JUST limited to 'road noise' like I mentioned at the start of this whole thing), not about a bunch of preferences that build up to some objective 'best DAW' result. I think it is fair enough question to ask.

[justin3am]

really? you should just do a few vst plugins. they're extremely simple.

I've been meaning to take a look at the VST SDK and some DSP stuff since the first time I compiled something that worked. Most of what you describe makes sense to me... unfortunately, I've been working 16 hour days, most days for the last 9 months or so. Maybe if I get fired I'll start writing plug-ins.
I have the book "Musical Applications for Microprocessors" and still haven't found the time to open it.

[aciddose]

Yeah but this poll is all about subjective perception of observed CPU use (so JUST limited to 'road noise' like I mentioned at the start of this whole thing), not about a bunch of preferences that build up to some objective 'best DAW' result. I think it is fair enough question to ask.

how do you deal with the issue that i've never noticed reaper to be any different?

[braj]

i think what we can conclude from the poll results is that reaper users are the least educated and most arrogant.

See, I think this trolly crap. Any talk about objectivity on your part was thrown out with this post.

[hibidy]

Ok, that's the first thing you've said that makes sense to me (about the knowing why)

I can give you one answer that can help. The reaper guys have put allot of time into optimizing the cpu use. I don't know if bragging about it is accurate, but they make it well known. When I asked the S1 devs.....their answer......(and I KNOW I already mentioned this)

"We don't optimize the cpu use"



Now, as far as other hosts are concerned, I'm certain there is a ton of wonderfully scientific reasons that I cannot explain. But that right there bothers me. I don't actually know what "optimize" means but coders do. I've been on COUNTLESS beta programs and have had many a coder "optimize" cpu use. No, they didn't all do it, but enough did that there is something to it.

[braj]

Yeah but this poll is all about subjective perception of observed CPU use (so JUST limited to 'road noise' like I mentioned at the start of this whole thing), not about a bunch of preferences that build up to some objective 'best DAW' result. I think it is fair enough question to ask.

how do you deal with the issue that i've never noticed reaper to be any different?

So what? I was asking for your opinion based on your perception and experience. What is the problem?

[hibidy]

i think what we can conclude from the poll results is that reaper users are the least educated and most arrogant.

See, I think this trolly crap. Any talk about objectivity on your part was thrown out with this post.

Agreed. Nothing trolley about this thread. On the other hand........

[aciddose]

So what? I was asking for your opinion based on your perception and experience. What is the problem?

well, i was under the impression that you don't seem to want it? are you asking for it or not?

if you think my comment about education and arrogance is "a troll" i really think you should read my comment about it in the post i made afterward. it's based upon my discomfort with being asked to select a "most efficient" host. you're asking me to make a generalization and knowingly act in a dishonest way.

we could assume that the number of votes for reaper are due to the fact that reaper users are least likely to be influenced in a similar manner - that is they do not feel as if they are being dishonest or making a generalization. either because they don't know, or don't care.

so what i said is perfectly reasonable.

do you find it offensive or something?

[braj]

do you find it offensive or something?

I frankly think that was your intention.

[braj]

we could assume

Yeah, that's reliable