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Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:10 pm

This is one reason why i like the new Tone2 Saurus. The mod matrix got a few tabs but all other features are on one page. If you use only few modulation routings you could even use the mod matrix with a single page.

A nice single page freeware synth is Tactile sounds Substance:
http://tactilesounds.blogspot.de/p/ts-substance.html

Ingo

deathwish · Post by **deathwish** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:03 pm

synths like Z3TA+ never made sense to me

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:33 pm

1-2-Many wrote:Any number of pages of software synth beats a tiny LCD screen & a bunch of buttons
http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/sy77.php

Spoiled Kid these days

Noo..
That Yamaha has only a couple of hundred menu pages.
I have the rack version sitting on my desk, under the screen

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:49 pm

Ingonator wrote:This is one reason why i like the new Tone2 Saurus. The mod matrix got a few tabs but all other features are on one page. If you use only few modulation routings you could even use the mod matrix with a single page.

A nice single page freeware synth is Tactile sounds Substance:
http://tactilesounds.blogspot.de/p/ts-substance.html

Ingo

tactile is a pretty cool synth indeed.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:03 pm

AstralExistence wrote:
Ingonator wrote:This is one reason why i like the new Tone2 Saurus. The mod matrix got a few tabs but all other features are on one page. If you use only few modulation routings you could even use the mod matrix with a single page.

A nice single page freeware synth is Tactile sounds Substance:
http://tactilesounds.blogspot.de/p/ts-substance.html

Ingo
tactile is a pretty cool synth indeed.

Agreed. I was beta testing the very first version and most of the factory sounds of Substance are from me. A full collection of my sounds is available as an extra download below the download of the plugin.

BTW one of the design concepts was to keep everything on a single page which is why some features like e.g. FXs are missing. Some features like e.g. Aftertouch modulation for the vibrato were implemented after i asked for them.

Here is a demo song using my factory sounds for Substance and Tactile Sounds TS-808 for the drums:
http://soundcloud.com/ingoweidner/oxyge ... ance-remix

That song was already a bit older but i uploaded it not very long ago as part of a thread about Jarre sounds.

Sometimes in the future i plan to release some more free sounds for Substance.

Saurus also got all features on a single page except the Arpeggiator and the mod matrix which got around 4 tabs all together. If you use only the first tab of the mod matrix you don't have to switch anything. In Saurus you don't even got drop-down menus like in e.g. Substance.

Ingo

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:47 pm

pretty good man. substance packs a hell of alot of power under its simple hood.

screw fx in synths. there i said it.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:28 pm

DCAM Synth Squad. End of discussion.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:59 pm

mkdr wrote:
1-2-Many wrote:Any number of pages of software synth beats a tiny LCD screen & a bunch of buttons
http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/sy77.php

Spoiled Kid these days
Noo..
That Yamaha has only a couple of hundred menu pages.
I have the rack version sitting on my desk, under the screen

That's a big desk

(mine is stuffed elsewhere, 390mm depth, sheesh)

As for interfaces again:
There are actually synth plugins that have a really horrible single page interface and could definitely use some damn pages instead of stuffing everything in one. There are synth plugins that have several pages because it simply makes sense and it doesn't hurt usability at all, it makes it nicer and easier to use.

That said, even if the interface is ingenious, and the synth's features are not to your taste (complex or whatever), it will never make the synth more "fun" to use. In a few cases, a physical interface could actually be the only thing that would make you like a synth that you wouldn't find "fun" otherwise, no matter what software graphical user interface it has.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:12 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Plenty of single page synths. I happen to like those myself.

Poly-Ana, Tyrell, Oddity, imposcar, minimonsta, arturia emulations, synplant, fxpansion synths, DIVA (mostly), tone2 (mostly), ultra analog, TAL synths, etc. etc. It goes on and on.

+ Korg Monoply/Polysix/Ms-20 & Xils-Lab PolyKB II
+ Xils3 ( mostly )

+ My first no single page synth was the TX-802, then a Jedi ....... So I guess tabs are not much of a concern for me nowadays

Perimeter Sound · Post by **Perimeter Sound** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:34 pm

"All on one page", which is why I never got too into Ableton ha-ha.

That said, many synths (and hosts too) benefit from having tabs for -lesser used options-. Ultimately, I'm a huge cheerleader for economy in design and ease of use, but I'm still voting for = don't dumb things down just for me and the few other whiny old guys.

1-2-Many · Post by **1-2-Many** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:34 pm

Shy wrote:
mkdr wrote:
1-2-Many wrote:Any number of pages of software synth beats a tiny LCD screen & a bunch of buttons
http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/sy77.php

Spoiled Kid these days
Noo..
That Yamaha has only a couple of hundred menu pages.
I have the rack version sitting on my desk, under the screen
That's a big desk (mine is stuffed elsewhere, 390mm depth, sheesh)

Yay! the TG77 club! - Mine sits in a rack just to my right

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:05 am

i find i can program my dx-7 way faster from the panel than using software. i get lost with all the stupid controls in the software but using the menus it's all neatly laid out in my head.

i think a lot of the complaints about guis and so on come from people who can't picture the structure in their mind. they're either amatures, simply no good at it, or never bothered to invest the effort to really understand the structure of a synthesizer.

for me i don't think through things based upon what i see on a gui, i think of the sound, how i want to transform the structure of the synth and then i have to go looking for where those controls are assuming they exist.

so in my mind the process works like a menu-driven system, making that ideal for a real-world interface.

people who are "tweakers" to just nudge controls slightly not planning ahead or having any real direction or understanding of what they're doing obviously want to have a large palette of stuff to randomly adjust in the hopes they'll be able to select for desirable sounds.

seems backwards to me. stone-age.

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:07 am

Try this one:

But I know what you mean with all easy on one page, Predator is despite the name maybe the friendliest synth I know. Somehow it's all just there.

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:20 am

im actually doing a bunch or research on this exact topic. trying out all the single page powerful synths. ill be posting a huge list of the best of the best. but don't worry, ill only be post the most versatile and ill start off in the free sector.

stay tuned...

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:49 am

Just a +1 for Synth Squad, really easy to program and you can pretty deep with the transmod system, all on one page! I can spend hours just patching new sounds with Cypher.

i miss the days when vstis were fun to program and all one page