i miss the days when vstis were fun to program and all one page

[Resonator63]

Poly-Ana is all one page

[mchannemann]

Poly-Ana is all one page

you just forgot to mention:
and a hell of a lot fun

[hesnotthemessiah]

kHS ONE by kiloHearts. Everything you need is laid out infront of you on a Single screen. The GUI is gorgeously simple. Probably my fave VSTi to load up and twiddle with when I want something inspirational and fun to use. Sounds rather nice too.

[Richard_Synapse]

Next step in the history of the music synthesizer will be the GUI I think. We still copy the analog synthesizers interface with our computers : it is stupid. We must create new GUI.

Maybe yes, or maybe not. Analog/subtractive synths give instant access to pitch, timbre and volume, as well as their evolution over time, which is intuitive and rather brilliant, when you think about it. I'm not saying this cannot be improved further, but merely that it's pretty good already. I think it would be a step backwards if we start to e.g. mangle pitch with some other sound parameters, just in order to have a new UI.

Richard

[keyman_sam]

MIght I add shortcircuit to the list of awesome one-page VSTs?

I too love one-page VSTs and seriously I find shortcircuit to be better than kontakt for simple sample manipulation just because of the one page GUI.

[ouroboros]

Kinisis - novel one page layout.

[H.Noury]

What a bizarre analogy since painters don't use plugins (unless their canvas is a computer). But she does have 150 or more colors at her disposal not just one !! Right?

They compose their colors during the creation process. They do not have 150 colors, they mix continuously 5 or 6.

Do you really think that people who are annoyed by any interface of more than one page will find your system any easier? Or will they find it confusing and obtuse?

The interface is much more than easier : the picture on the screen stays an analogy of how it sounds. You stay in your feeling, never you need to be logic and leave your intuition or your feeling.

And a relatively mundane sound......

Try it! You can do strange things with also. But it is a synthesizer, not a guitar, or... Perhaps do you prefer physical modeling synthesizers? Or sampling? I love them also, but Dazibao is not. Maybe that you'll not listen the same way to your casual synthesizers after you played this one...

[1-2-Many]

....And especially with todays complex guis the planning of the gui in relation to the signal flow becomes really really really important for me. With one page it is almost unimportant, with many pages/tabs it can make or break a synth, imo. And so much has been done/bought already...

Along with a careful & logical layout, UI ergonomics is also a huge factor.

I hate small little knobs, sliders or buttons that don't mouse right, or are far too fiddly. Also the inability to just enter a value is a major drag, or those that don't even display a value! Elements that are too crammed together so you always end up clickin the wrong one by mistake!! And like I've said, dropdown/fly out menus that are a PITA to navigate

I better stop ....my joy is decreasing again!!!

[AstralExistence]

http://www.fullbucket.de/music/monofury.html


sounds good. haven't tried the others yet.

[AstralExistence]

And a relatively mundane sound......

your missing the point entirely. yes simple synths have a simple/mundane sound but not everybody wants to sound like skrillex. some people really enjoy that simple analog sound found best in non dancy electronica/space music. who doesnt love a fluttery lfo

[Teksonik]

And a relatively mundane sound......

your missing the point entirely.

No I'm not missing anything....the point is entirely the sound. The gui is secondary and for the record nobody likes a nice gui more than I do.... You know there are people who use synthesizers and sound nothing like a simple saw through an LFO or sound anything like skrillex, There's a whole world of synthesizer sound out there not even remotely related to dance music....

But certainly if you like simple synth sounds there are a ton of options already available many of them mentioned in this thread. I don't see much use in making any more unless they take quality and character to a new level....

[Teksonik]

They compose their colors during the creation process. They do not have 150 colors, they mix continuously 5 or 6.

So limit yourself to 5 or 6 synths. You still won't get all 150 colors.......

Do you really think that people who are annoyed by any interface of more than one page will find your system any easier? Or will they find it confusing and obtuse?

The interface is much more than easier : the picture on the screen stays an analogy of how it sounds. You stay in your feeling, never you need to be logic and leave your intuition or your feeling.

That still doesn't answer the question. If people are annoyed by a simple drop down menu or tabbed pages I doubt this gui fills the desire for "you know the days of the simple va" as the OP has posted........

Maybe that you'll not listen the same way to your casual synthesizers after you played this one...

Judging only by your demo my "casual" synths sound much better......but I might give your synth a go out of curiosity.....

[aciddose]

They compose their colors during the creation process. They do not have 150 colors, they mix continuously 5 or 6.

actually you only need four, cyan, magenta, yellow and black. although usually a white is included as well. the fifth or sixth would usually be a specific mineral like a cobalt and a cadmium.

from those you can reproduce 100% of all colors visible to the human eye.

so that's more like an additive synthesizer of some type. although it's subtractive.

[vata44]

LinPlug Alpha 3

SuperWave P8

Korg Mono/Poly

Synth 1

Charlatan

[aciddose]

Anyone who prefers to program a DX7 from it's front panel as opposed to a software editor is clearly an amateur......to not avail oneself of any tools available for the job is quite clearly the definition of ignorance

(I used DX Android running on an Atari to program my DX-7 back in the day....very easy to have things "laid out in my head" and made "planning ahead"
the essence of easy).

i don't understand how you could think that. the number of buttons you need press in either case is the same. the only difference is that in the gui you've got a large screen of widgets, and on the panel you have a grid of buttons and a small text display.

if you already know which parameter you're editing (op 4 level) how is it any different tracking down a slider and moving the mouse, then clicking the button and moving the mouse again,

compared to:

pressing the button to select op 4, pressing the level button, moving the slider?

those operations are identical and in fact i find the second a lot easier to do even though it's the same number of movements.

if you have no dexterity in your hands, you can't memorize the number of button presses to get to 4 (uh, 4?) and so on it might be difficult. i just don't think that's very reasonable though. the dx-7 guis available are a lot more difficult to use than the panel once you get used to the panel.

what about these advantages:
- no looking up at a screen
- no need to sit in front of a keyboard/mouse/screen
- your hands stay in one place, on the keyboard
- everything is at the same level

i used the dx-7 as an example because it's a classic example of a synthesizer where people get lost because they have no idea what they're doing in the first place. 99% of all combinations of tweaking parameters on the dx-7 will produce random noise and screetching sounds.

dx-7 is a tweaker's nightmare.

the alpha juno is another example. the difference with the juno is you can't select parameters by pressing a button for each individual parameter. instead you have to scroll through them using the wheel, select the one you want, then move the wheel again to adjust it. that's burdensome and i find the gui in that case, for the alpha juno, a lot easier to use than the panel on the synthesizer.