i miss the days when vstis were fun to program and all one page

[1-2-Many]

perhaps, but silence is only a theoretical thing. just like absolute zero. doesn't exist.

so in fact not only is silence not a sound, but it isn't silent either. therefore silence is a sound.

Your left brain is kicking your right brain's ass and stealing his lunch money

[VariKusBrainZ]

....and you can't make donuts without the holes

OneToMany - My Zero

The British can

[AstralExistence]

And a relatively mundane sound......

your missing the point entirely.

No I'm not missing anything....the point is entirely the sound. The gui is secondary and for the record nobody likes a nice gui more than I do.... You know there are people who use synthesizers and sound nothing like a simple saw through an LFO or sound anything like skrillex, There's a whole world of synthesizer sound out there not even remotely related to dance music....

But certainly if you like simple synth sounds there are a ton of options already available many of them mentioned in this thread. I don't see much use in making any more unless they take quality and character to a new level....

yes, you are, and heres why. the point of this thread, is is not about the sound of a synth, no, thats how you see it, the point of this thread is about simple, one page synths, ergonomics, which it seems, many enjoy and also find very productive, how you see it is irrelevant to how others see it, and your viewpoint means nothing in a thread where the entire viewpoint of the thread is about one page gui. youve said what you said, if you have something productive to say on what the benefits are of one page synths, then feel free to state them. otherwise, realize that your viewpoint is not shared in this thread

[AstralExistence]

i liked this thread better when it revolved around no tabs so lets go back to that

i just bought basic 65 http://www.delamancha.co.uk/basic.htm which is a very cool c64 synth by delamancha on sale for 7.20

[Shy]

This thread is now a one page synths on sale thread.

I just bought The deputy Mark II for $0. It sounds better than another string synth I bought for more (Loomer String). Oh and I don't care about its interface.

[AstralExistence]

This thread is now a one page synths on sale thread.

I just bought The deputy Mark II for $0. It sounds better than another string synth I bought for more (Loomer String). Oh and I don't care about its interface.

that ok dude, both free and pay one page synths are welcome. that way anybody can post there favorite.

[H.Noury]

If you just need a basic bass line, a single window is enough. These synths will be better than Dazibao if you just want a bass line maybe.

The problem is that you need sometimes more complex patches, with sound evolutions, sequences, splits, etc. Then, with the usual GUI, you can not have everything on a single screen. And it is slow to manipulate.

That's why I created an absolute new kind of interface : in a single screen, you see the "story" of your sound, for every key of your split or every measure of your sequence if you need. Each key of your patch can produce a different sound, and it is easy to program, fast and easy. And the GUI helps you to always understand "at once" what you're doing. You're never lost in your patch, there's no matrix, and no jack.

It is the version 1.1, other will come to ameliorate details, but I think that I take the right direction.

I'll post soon new videos for demonstration of Dazibao.

[reusenoise]

It may sound absurd,but with Karma FX,you can set up a synth just in one page


http://karmafx.net/

[Resonator63]

....and you can't make donuts without the holes

OneToMany - My Zero

The British can

Yeah!!! That hole's a waste of space.Stick some jam in it

[Teksonik]

My productivity shot up exponentially when I started using DX Android

now you're including a whole lot of extra context.

so for your method to work you need:

- remote control of the dx as a module
- a desk where you have access to keyboard, mouse and controller all comfortably at once
- a specific piece of software for an obsolete machine, or something similar assuming you could find it

you also have to ignore the particular performance characteristics and features of the instrument itself.

i know you're awfully insulted that i may have insinuated that you are either an amature, no good at something or never wanted to invest effort into that thing. focusing on the particular case i gave as an example which is to be honest completely off topic just because you're in a fuss doesn't really make sense though.

so are you arguing against a modern gui having menus and pages? what are you arguing exactly?

i assume you're arguing that using a particular piece of control software for a particular purpose in a very specific set-up made the most sense to you, and so you never wanted to invest the effort required to acclimatize yourself to a performance situation in a variety of set-ups using the panel of the synthesizer itself.

that's fine. i don't see the point though? you're basically just arguing that you've no leg to stand on because you have no experience from which to base your comparison between the menu driven system vs. a collection of knob or "all on one screen" gui layouts.

in fact:

so your argument is actually in favor of menus and pages as the program you're referring to used them!

you could've just said that in the first place.

What the hell are you talking about?

so are you arguing against a modern gui having menus and pages? what are you arguing exactly?

I thought it was painfully obvious but I guess not so I'll spell it out in simple terms. To me it makes more sense to use a software editor to program a DX-7 than it does to use it's front panel. (I've spent lots of time using both methods although I no longer own my DX or TX). I'm not arguing anything else at least specifically with you. Your pompous statement that "they're either amatures, simply no good at it, or never bothered to invest the effort to really understand the structure of a synthesizer" was what prompted my response. It doesn't make any sense to drive a nail in with the butt end of a screwdriver when there is a perfectly good hammer in the toolbox......pretty simple.

But if you prefer to be hunched over your DX squinting at the tiny display then more power to you. Just don't make the ridiculous assertion that anyone who doesn't prefer that to put it in your words "stone age" method is somehow inferior.....

so your argument is actually in favor of menus and pages as the program you're referring to used them!

I've never once said that I'm not in favor of menus or pages. I prefer them. How you could get any other opinion out of my posts here is beyond me........

[Teksonik]

yes, you are, and heres why. the point of this thread, is is not about the sound of a synth, no, thats how you see it, the point of this thread is about simple, one page synths, ergonomics, which it seems, many enjoy and also find very productive, how you see it is irrelevant to how others see it, and your viewpoint means nothing in a thread where the entire viewpoint of the thread is about one page gui. youve said what you said, if you have something productive to say on what the benefits are of one page synths, then feel free to state them. otherwise, realize that your viewpoint is not shared in this thread

So if someone disagrees with you they can't post in your thread? Hilarious. You'd better find someplace other than KVR to post then...

if you have something productive to say on what the benefits are of one page synths,

There are no benefits to one page synths.....share that.

[aciddose]

What the hell are you talking about?

yes... apparently you've never bothered to read or understand the posts you replied to. thanks for wasting my time.

if you had bothered you would have understood what i was referring to when i said "stone-age".

should i tell you now, or should i have faith you'd go back and read it? to be honest if you're too much of a jerk to bother reading it in the first place i feel the odds of you bothering to go back out of curiosity are very near zero.

you need to put on a completely different hat. i know because i've done this plenty of times as well. it's not really all your fault i suppose.

it would be better though if we wore our "let me see what i can agree with about this post and try to understand what the author of the post has attempted to express. ah, i see something that i don't immediately understand. it appears as if the author has said something that is completely wrong."

now you make a choice, you can either put on your "i'm offended and i'll let you know all about it" hat, or your "now what could the author possibly have meant by this and what were his intentions? what could lead him to believe this is true?" hat.

[aciddose]

There are no benefits to one page synths.....share that.

i'm not so sure about that. in the case of a very simple instrument it can be quite useful. for example say we just want to play a single sample. nothing fancy going on, just the sample, no mapping or interpolation or envelopes or anything of that sort. all we want to do is set up the loop points, adjust the sample rate and import/export. we want to adjust how many voices we have, maybe polyphonic, monophonic, duo-phonic modes. maybe a very simple arpeggiator.

this allows us to do some neat stuff without having too many complexities involved. sure you can do all that stuff with "mega synth" which also has a million other features. it can be nice to focus in on a specific set of features sometimes though.

i wouldn't do this with a subtractive synth. for a sample player though it's nice. lots of other applications where a very feature-limited implementation would make things easy.

you also have to look at it in terms of what if you were a beginner. is a beginner supposed to load up a huge modular synth and start building modules?

there have to be different aspects and approaches to these things because there are a lot of different people with different needs out there.

[mztk]

that's certainly the case here
aciddose, why do you bother to get involved in such a pointless
thread, lol.

to be fair to the OP...but this is running to 9pages??!!
(own opinion is: i don't care: parameters, options are
great. some synths need loads, others don't. the inventiveness
and originality of the author, and the semantics of layout, is
a whole area of design, so let people experiment. boring layouts
can hide exciting synths; bells, whistles and a busload of hype
can hide a boring synth.
take zynaddwhateverFX...terrible GUI, fantastic synth.

[Teksonik]

What the hell are you talking about?

yes... apparently you've never bothered to read or understand the posts you replied to. thanks for wasting my time.

if you had bothered you would have understood what i was referring to when i said "stone-age".

should i tell you now, or should i have faith you'd go back and read it? to be honest if you're too much of a jerk to bother reading it in the first place i feel the odds of you bothering to go back out of curiosity are very near zero.

you need to put on a completely different hat. i know because i've done this plenty of times as well. it's not really all your fault i suppose.

it would be better though if we wore our "let me see what i can agree with about this post and try to understand what the author of the post has attempted to express. ah, i see something that i don't immediately understand. it appears as if the author has said something that is completely wrong."

now you make a choice, you can either put on your "i'm offended and i'll let you know all about it" hat, or your "now what could the author possibly have meant by this and what were his intentions? what could lead him to believe this is true?" hat.

How about the "author is a pompous twit whose opinion makes absolutely no sense" hat? I can easily wear that hat when reading your posts.

in the case of a very simple instrument

And there you've hit on the real point of the matter..... simple gui = simple sound......not all of us want a simple saw bass sound....others are apparently enamored with simple things. More power to them.


Ok I'm off to work now please do carry on.......