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Tubeman · Post by **Tubeman** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:23 pm

highkoo wrote:I dont think its a secret that these people exist. How accurate they are is what is amazing. Its gotta be some of the same guys that can tell you what year and model the preamp used on a backing vocal was from an mp3 of the recording. Maybe not; Maybe the knowledge of the music is more important, but I bet they need above average ears.
I mean, they pull lawsuits off somehow, and they dont rely on lawyers and judges ears.

Perimeter Sound · Post by **Perimeter Sound** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:17 pm

highkoo wrote:They have people who can hear a single note sampled from a famous song and reliably nail you on it.

My ears hear half an Ozzy (vocal) sample at about 40% into this http://www.producerloops.com/Download-3 ... sionz.html demo. Good thing I'm not a lawyer ha-ha.

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:57 pm

Perimeter Sound wrote: My ears hear half an Ozzy (vocal) sample at about 40% into this http://www.producerloops.com/Download-3 ... sionz.html demo. Good thing I'm not a lawyer ha-ha.

Wow. Has to be the worst samplepack i've ever heard.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:23 pm

surprise, 99% of the content out there is worse.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:02 am

mkdr wrote:
Perimeter Sound wrote: My ears hear half an Ozzy (vocal) sample at about 40% into this http://www.producerloops.com/Download-3 ... sionz.html demo. Good thing I'm not a lawyer ha-ha.
Wow. Has to be the worst samplepack i've ever heard.

It's so bad that...

...there's a take down lawsuit against this in the name of music. The DnB community were in uproar over allegations they might have used it in their music.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:34 pm

mkdr wrote: I'm in no way saying piratism is a good thing!!

In fact you are:

mkdr wrote:There have been studies that showed piratism has actually boosted music industries sales. Not from the people who are scared back to legal music sales, but by the ones that download the pirated stuff.

mkdr wrote: Just that it's viewed as the ultimate evil for businesses, when in reality it is actually helping them.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:10 pm

mkdr wrote:If anyone knows how Reaper is doing? That would be a great example if this type of thing works for the music making side..

Reaper was founded by a multi-millionaire that can afford to charge that low a price and felt he ought to. That doesn't apply to many instances in the world.

Doug1978 · Post by **Doug1978** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:23 pm

jancivil wrote:
mkdr wrote: I'm in no way saying piratism is a good thing!!
In fact you are:
mkdr wrote:There have been studies that showed piratism has actually boosted music industries sales. Not from the people who are scared back to legal music sales, but by the ones that download the pirated stuff.
mkdr wrote: Just that it's viewed as the ultimate evil for businesses, when in reality it is actually helping them.

It's certainly curiously phrased above by mkdr.
(almost as curious as me and Jan actually agreeing on something).

Equally, mkdr makes fair points about 1) there being plenty of excellent free software and 2) that it might be better for more developers to offer low-cost incentives for students (and maybe those from poorer backgrounds), though some already do this.
However, as others have hinted, piracy and sample stealing etc is not just a matter of poverty but it is moreover the attitude of some people as to whether they can 'get away with it'.
For instance, I know a well-respected hardware synth UK repairer / restorer in his mid-40s who bragged to me about using cracked software. And yes, I did recommend that it's about time he bought the software but his attitude is wrongly that it's just a hobby and if it's out on the 'net then it's free (so I won't be getting my keyboards repaired there again).

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:35 pm

Doug1978(tempID) wrote:
jancivil wrote:
mkdr wrote: I'm in no way saying piratism is a good thing!!
In fact you are:
mkdr wrote:There have been studies that showed piratism has actually boosted music industries sales. Not from the people who are scared back to legal music sales, but by the ones that download the pirated stuff.
mkdr wrote: Just that it's viewed as the ultimate evil for businesses, when in reality it is actually helping them.
It's certainly curiously phrased above by mkdr.
(almost as curious as me and Jan actually agreeing on something).

Maybe i should clarify.
Piratism is not morally right.
Though it seems it's helping businesses that "suffer" from it.
(some businesses)

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:40 pm

jancivil wrote:
mkdr wrote:If anyone knows how Reaper is doing? That would be a great example if this type of thing works for the music making side..
Reaper was founded by a multi-millionaire that can afford to charge that low a price and felt he ought to. That doesn't apply to many instances in the world.

So basicly you're saying he's doing it for the fun of it and loosing money while doing it?

Just an expensive hobby?

I think not.

Doug1978 · Post by **Doug1978** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:48 pm

mkdr wrote:...
Maybe i should clarify.
Piratism is not morally right.
Though it seems it's helping businesses that "suffer" from it.
(some businesses)

^^ quite possibly, although for obvious reasons this is hard to qualify to any great degree (and I remember a few threads revolving around this sort of point very intensely just a few months back at KVR - I even got 'stuck in' during a couple!).

Back to the original point of this thread, I agree with PenguinfromDeep and others like him on page 1 as to the practical difficulties of proof and sample libraries etc.

In passing, I would add that with just a relatively small amount of money nowadays how so many wonderful bespoke samples can be made for one's own projects by hiring session musicians etc (and thus this also avoids the pitfalls of certain sample library shenanigans).

hollowsun · Post by **hollowsun** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:32 pm

mkdr wrote:Though it seems it's helping businesses that "suffer" from it.
(some businesses)

Some people might have a fit of conscience and might buy a genuine copy and maybe some people use cracks and illegal downloads as a kind of 'demo' but they are few and far between.

Believe me, piracy does NOT help businesses (even if the pirates believe that to be so - they have all manner of bizarre and illogical reasoning to justify they're actions).

And pricing isn't really (or always) relevant - some of my titles are as little as £4 and they're out there on the torrents - Christ... even my freebies are on pirate sites!

The only pragmatic approach content providers can take to it is that these people (probably) wouldn't buy the stuff anyway .... and once they do have it there are very few who will then go and actually buy it - why should they when they have a perfect digital copy unless (or even if) their moral compass points in the right direction?

Cheers,

Stephen

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:48 pm

mkdr wrote:
jancivil wrote:
mkdr wrote:If anyone knows how Reaper is doing? That would be a great example if this type of thing works for the music making side..
Reaper was founded by a multi-millionaire that can afford to charge that low a price and felt he ought to. That doesn't apply to many instances in the world.
So basicly you're saying he's doing it for the fun of it and loosing money while doing it?

Just an expensive hobby?

No. I said no such thing. It isn't a viable model for anyone else unless they can afford it. I don't think the equivalence of that unrestricted demo, or sixty dollar license is going to catch on. He can afford that. People that are not that rich cannot. Corporations with stockholders will not tend to be able to support such a model. You would like that to be true but it does not appear to be in reality.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:49 pm

mkdr wrote:Maybe i should clarify.
Piratism seems [to be] helping businesses that "suffer" from it.
(some businesses)

I rather doubt it. So far most of what you say is quite self-serving.

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:02 pm

jancivil wrote:So far most of what you say is quite self-serving.

What are you trying to imply here?
And why?

Proving use of legally bought samples