KVR Audio

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:37 pm

i've never done that in my life. with only twenty controls or so it isn't all that hard to remember.

what, you have... brass, flute, pulse, ramp, self-osc, pwm bass, thup and zhub, modulations, ... ?

add another oscillator and things get more exciting.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:39 pm

My memory is nowhere near as sharp as it used to be..that is for darn certain

Actually I've been working some interesting patches on a few modular synths lately...string all kinds of weird wacky things together...

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:51 pm

the modular, that's where you have to take notes. i can barely remember what i'm doing after the fifth cable. forget about it! (literally.)

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:57 pm

I imagine a guy with a big moustache, wearing bell bottoms, drinking a coca cola out of a glass bottle, taking polaroids of his modular analog.
"Presets"

mcnoone · Post by **mcnoone** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:04 am

braj wrote:
musikmachine wrote: See, like snowflakes we are all different.
http://www.zefrank.com/snowflake/

So true...and thank you for that.
Always worth checking out the microscopic images of them as well.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:12 am

highkoo wrote:I imagine a guy with a big moustache, wearing bell bottoms, drinking a coca cola out of a glass bottle, taking polaroids of his modular analog.
"Presets"

That is not far off, believe me!! LOL!!!!

H.Noury · Post by **H.Noury** » Sun May 06, 2012 6:50 pm

OK, the problem belong me is that we still imitate the electronic devices of the beginning of the history of the synthesizer.

Moog, Oberheim and others needed to add buttons and sliders to control their instruments just because the electronic needs that : you can not control a voltage without a resistance controlled via a slider. Actual computers user's interfaces still imitate the electronic devices. Our frustrations comes from that.

Modern oriented object langages for the computers can help to go far away from these old limitations. The GUI can propose something absolutely different than these old interfaces. I think that the copy of the mix tables in our host sequencers is a wrong decision. We could do something more interesting! I've got it in my minds but I do not program any host...

I posted a message yet about this video in this website, but with this film, you'll have a good idea of what I propose. This solution helps to forget the electronic devices limitations. This tutorial about Dazibao will demonstrate how you can control a modern software without any reference to the old electronic instruments.

I add this reference in that discussion because it demonstrates where we can go elsewhere... This film is my argumentation!

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sun May 06, 2012 6:54 pm

you can do things differently, but you have to take something into account.

you're trying to replace a scalar.

*clap clap clap*

vectors have never really become attractive, so now you want to use tensors instead. not likely going to happen.

hesnotthemessiah · Post by **hesnotthemessiah** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:34 pm

musikmachine wrote:Was kilohearts khs one mentioned? http://kilohearts.com/

You bet!

hesnotthemessiah wrote:kHS ONE by kiloHearts. Everything you need is laid out infront of you on a Single screen. The GUI is gorgeously simple. Probably my fave VSTi to load up and twiddle with when I want something inspirational and fun to use. Sounds rather nice too.

H.Noury · Post by **H.Noury** » Wed May 09, 2012 4:06 pm

musikmachine wrote:Was kilohearts khs one mentioned? http://kilohearts.com/

Exactly what I am not looking for actually. Anything, but no matrix! 20 years with jacks and matrix!! I want to go out!!

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Thu May 10, 2012 12:15 am

hesnotthemessiah wrote:
musikmachine wrote:Was kilohearts khs one mentioned? http://kilohearts.com/
You bet!

hesnotthemessiah wrote:kHS ONE by kiloHearts. Everything you need is laid out infront of you on a Single screen. The GUI is gorgeously simple. Probably my fave VSTi to load up and twiddle with when I want something inspirational and fun to use. Sounds rather nice too.

I remember when it came out, stumbled across it across it a few days ago but don't hear much mention of it.

H.Noury wrote:
musikmachine wrote:Was kilohearts khs one mentioned? http://kilohearts.com/
Exactly what I am not looking for actually. Anything, but no matrix! 20 years with jacks and matrix!! I want to go out!!

20 years spent in the matrix would drive anyone crazy.

oldlibmike · Post by **oldlibmike** » Thu May 10, 2012 12:51 am

At great personal risk of criticism I *gasp* mention Arturia Moog Modular. One really bigass page but I love being able to see every patch and flow of filter, oscillator etc on one screen. I use a 24" iMac - on a smaller screen its probably a bit painful. Once you get used to the layout, though, its very easy to see almost everything going on at a glance.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu May 10, 2012 1:03 am

I'm trying to remember...hah!!...one synth that had a HUGE GUI...and I mean HUGE!!!..as in a 26" screen kinda thing?

Anyone remember what that dang thing was called?

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:17 pm

aciddose wrote:i find i can program my dx-7 way faster from the panel than using software. i get lost with all the stupid controls in the software but using the menus it's all neatly laid out in my head.

i think a lot of the complaints about guis and so on come from people who can't picture the structure in their mind. they're either amatures, simply no good at it, or never bothered to invest the effort to really understand the structure of a synthesizer.

Spot on! The DX series are VERY fast to program owing largely to the (mostly) button per function. This lends itself to building muscle memory for getting around on it. Not so good for real time tweaking, but it's a good way to build a fast interface for programming. I cut my synth teeth on a DX-21 and got very fast on it with the slider in one hand and the other choosing functions. I thought that I'd really like the TX-81z but the interface matters a LOT in terms of programming.

Other synths that also work (almost as) well like this are the ESQ-1 and the Matrix 12 which group a set of buttons to grouped parameters (cuttoff, resonance, etc) and give you another set of buttons which are fixed per group. Both the ESQ and the M12 draw the architecture on the front panel around the buttons which helps.

The point here is that it isn't "pages" that matter so much as how the entire design is thought through. I think that synths like Diva and ACE are completely straightforward and don't find their pages limiting in any way. Some Reaktor synths which have no pages, on the other hand, are completely unusable from a user interface point of view. Notably, pretty much all of the stuff from heavensonearth.

daExpert · Post by **daExpert** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:28 pm

One-Dinger-Only is a motherfuckin' classic DAWG. Ding, ding, ding, ding. SO BEAUTIFUL!

i miss the days when vstis were fun to program and all one page