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megalodonnl · Post by **megalodonnl** » Wed May 30, 2012 7:15 pm

Hi there,

I recently tried Mulab (free) and read MuDrum could do layers, but (seemingly) not in the way I expected, which is layered drumparts like in a soundfont.

To be clear: i mean for instance to have like 4 individual snaredrum-samples that are triggered individually depending on velocity range?

This is what I mean, using FL Studio's MPC as example:

Best Regards,

Meg

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Wed May 30, 2012 7:34 pm

You want to look into "Element 3" - you can stick almost anything in there. MultiSampla (added and wired up as "4" in the picture below) lets you have multiple layers split by velocity:

megalodonnl · Post by **megalodonnl** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:43 pm

Ah, thanks Peter. Small world isn't it

Reincke · Post by **Reincke** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:28 pm

Just for interest: Will a multisampler inside MuDrum's "Element 3" allow more than 12 different keys? Currently I ignore the MuDrum feature because of this "constraint".

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:59 pm

Reincke wrote:Just for interest: Will a multisampler inside MuDrum's "Element 3" allow more than 12 different keys? Currently I ignore the MuDrum feature because of this "constraint".

No, the MuDrum works with 12 notes.
Is that really a disadvantage?
I thought it would be easy when users would not have to 'search' for the right octave-note.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:06 pm

I use somewhere around 36 MIDI notes when drumming (maybe more... I'd have to check), so 12 is incredibly limited, really. But MuDrum isn't really something I'm interested in as a drum module - I'd go straight to MultiSampla, anyway, so I can't say I'd find it a constraint as such.

megalodonnl · Post by **megalodonnl** » Thu May 31, 2012 9:17 pm

mutools wrote:
Reincke wrote:Just for interest: Will a multisampler inside MuDrum's "Element 3" allow more than 12 different keys? Currently I ignore the MuDrum feature because of this "constraint".
No, the MuDrum works with 12 notes.
Is that really a disadvantage?
I thought it would be easy when users would not have to 'search' for the right octave-note.

That you don't have to search is handy indeed. But at the same time this also means you can't make use of all the 16 pads on a controller, like PadKontrol or an Akai MPD. I'm not sure whether that's a big issue for Mulab users though.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:15 am

I'll see what i can do for a MuDrum II.
Are there any other MuDrum issues?

Reincke · Post by **Reincke** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:31 pm

mutools wrote:No, the MuDrum works with 12 notes.
Is that really a disadvantage?
I thought it would be easy when users would not have to 'search' for the right octave-note.

You're right, it's much easier when starting with drum sounds. But as pljones said, if you create a full drum set it leads you to 2 or 3 or even more "octaves" of different instruments, each with multiple layers of samples. So at this time MultiSampla is the best choice.

For me a combination of MultiSampla and MuDrum/MuPad would be heaven:
- a full key set,
- at each key a MuPad with the existent MuPad parameters,
- multiple sample layers per key/MuPad like Multisampla's zones
- and the flexibility of MuDrum's connectors.

JR

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:31 pm

You can just set up a mux with a MuPad for each note and a MultiSampla in Element 3 for each MuPad. Total flexibility that way.

Reincke · Post by **Reincke** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:24 am

pljones wrote:You can just set up a mux with a MuPad for each note and a MultiSampla in Element 3 for each MuPad. Total flexibility that way.

Thank you for this hint. I'm a bit puzzled. What is the hierarchy of modules? Maybe that:
__MuX
____MuPad 1
______MultiSampla 1
________Zone 1
__________Sample 1a
__________Sample 1b
__________Sample 1c
____MuPad 2
______MultiSampla 2
________Zone 2
__________Sample 2a
__________Sample 2b
__________Sample 2c
____...
All MuPads will get the same events at the same time. The MultiSampla "filters" the right key, doesn't it? Will try this soon.
JR

EDIT: Have added the zone/sample entries above. (I hope the amount of MultiSamplas won't lead to a high consumption of system resources.)

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:26 pm

Yes that's the idea: you'd be relying on the MultiSamplas to only respond to the notes you'd mapped them to, even though they would all receive the event.

Reincke · Post by **Reincke** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:59 am

A first Test is done. Although it's a bunch of overhead it works fine.

Thank you for the hint, Mr. Jones. I will salute your creativity (and the developer's achievement).
Must evaluate the resource consumption later on.
JR

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:12 pm

You might want to check whether you really need the MuPad layer splitting up the multiple MultiSamplas like that. If you can get away with going straight to a single MultiSampla, you'd make it a lot simpler!

Each layer in the MultiSampla has quite a lot of parameters - I'm not sure how easy they'd be to get at, though.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:57 am

And the multi-sample player has 4 stereo outputs so you can still process your samples in different ways

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