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Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:10 am

bunnywrench wrote: lol Look, we all know how butthurt you are about Kore being discontinued but that has nothing to do with the future of Maschine.

Worthy a ban?

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:19 am

ew wrote:As far as Maschine goes, the success has exceeded everybody's expectations. I remember talking to Daniel Haver and Mate Galic at NAMM right after the press conference announcing Maschine; we were wondering whether people would like it as much as we did. We talked again at the anniversary party in January; the answer was an emphatic yes, they do. Why would you kill off something that profitable?

I remember back when you first started raving about it, I really didn't understand what the fuss was about it and it wasn't until iMaschine came out that I got it. Two words: compatibility and portability. I love MPC's but bringing an MPC project in for a mix is a hassle. Similarly, I love Cubase but bringing a Cubase project live isn't even imaginable. Maschine bridges both gaps, plus allows me to write parts on my phone while my wife is in the changing room.

I <3 Maschine!

tetsuneko · Post by **tetsuneko** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:32 am

http://www.djtechtools.com/2012/05/31/f ... mix-decks/

This is what NI is forcing their customers to do nowadays. They are becoming a hardware manufacturer more than a software one, most likely because you cannot torrent a piece of hardware. So what do you do to sell hardware? Make sure that you always have to buy new gadgets to replace/add to your previous gadgets. Profitable indeed.

The reason I am pointing this out is that I, as a consumer, do not appreciate this change in NI's strategies, and want to make sure that other consumers like me are aware of these things. I am most likely biased in my opinions, so use your own judgement to make your own conclusions.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:35 am

Perhaps I should start a new topic, but I'm still debating about buying Maschine, and would like to hear from some current owners. I'm still not totally sold after watching some of the demo videos. It seems very fiddly with lots of menus, modes, and function keys to learn your way around.

Right now, if I was to, for example, slice up some audio from my eurorack modular, I would record a bunch of raw audio into a track in Sonar. From there I would zoom in, quickly slice the recording into interesting bits, and drag and drop those onto Battery cells, to trigger from my Korg padKontrol. Either that or sample directly into Geist.

Will Maschine really provide a better workflow, or will I just be trading my mouse clicks for a bunch of knob twiddling menu navigation?

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:13 pm

If you're comfortable using a mouse then i can't say it's much better for you. I have always hated using mouse for music. It's especially going from midikeyboard to keyboard and mouse.

I prefer using a knob for slicing audio. You can zoom in on the hardware and use it's lcd's without a doubt. However, if you also have the maschine software on a monitor, it's easier to make sure you chop at the "0". And that's one of those annoying things NI left out. The ability to automatically snap to "0"!
To make it worse you have those people calling you "butthurt" when you point this out...

Using Maschine to edit and sample is easy, but it's real strength is in the sequencing. You can close your eyes and tweak to make sure your vision doesn't leech essential parts of your brain. Doing that with a mouse is much harder. But people are different. Some want the exact number -3.267dB at 246.7Hz while others just grab the knob and twist until it sounds good. One way is not better than the other.

Those recorded bits you mention. If you record and then use Slice in automode (adjust sensitivity) you will have one sample on each pad. After that you can truncate them individually and normalize, whatever you want.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:58 pm

tetsuneko wrote:This is what NI is forcing their customers to do nowadays.

"Forcing"?

So what do you do to sell hardware? Make sure that you always have to buy new gadgets to replace/add to your previous gadgets.

Sure, just like there's a new iPhone and iPad every year. After dropping my 4S in the ocean on my honeymoon, I'm back to using my ancient (by today's standards) 3G and it's actually still working out quite nicely for me.

ew · Post by ew » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:24 pm

tetsuneko wrote: This is what NI is forcing their customers to do nowadays.

How are they forcing you? Are they holding a gun to your head saying "Buy our hardware or die!"? Holding your family hostage? We want the details

ew

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:41 pm

i think it's pretty clear that by "forcing" he means that "if you want to use all the functions in the program that you have bought and own, then you are FORCED to hack ...."

bunnywrench · Post by **bunnywrench** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:05 pm

tetsuneko wrote:http://www.djtechtools.com/2012/05/31/f ... mix-decks/

This is what NI is forcing their customers to do nowadays. They are becoming a hardware manufacturer more than a software one, most likely because you cannot torrent a piece of hardware. So what do you do to sell hardware? Make sure that you always have to buy new gadgets to replace/add to your previous gadgets. Profitable indeed.

The reason I am pointing this out is that I, as a consumer, do not appreciate this change in NI's strategies, and want to make sure that other consumers like me are aware of these things. I am most likely biased in my opinions, so use your own judgement to make your own conclusions.

lol You obviously didn't get it the first time around so here it is again. NI has already explained the technical reasons behind why at the moment only F1 controller can access all the function of the new Traktor remix decks and that once they revamp the Controller Editor's mapping features that other MIDI controllers will be able to access the same functions:

"After seeing some of the recent discussions of Remix Decks and third-party controller support, we felt it would be worthwhile to explain our reasoning around not immediately providing in-depth control through the Controller Manager. There is a lot of conjecture around this issue and we wanted to be clear in our decision making process.

Remix Decks will have limited third party control options in Traktor 2.5, however more functionality will be added with later updates.

With this release we have created a new quality of integration between controlling hardware (F1) and software to provide an unparalleled user-experience.

It's far more than a new feature, the addition of Remix Decks is like a new platform being added to the software. DJ, play live or mix the two, it's your choice.

The feature set of the new Remix decks has introduces a new level of complexity which exceeds the capabilities of the current midi mapping features.

Adding new Remix Deck controls to the Controller Manager will happen in future Traktor updates, however it will be never be possible to find a "one size fits" all solution that matches the level of integration with F1.

Traktor 2.5 contains more options for Midi mapping than any previous release. Rather than reducing configuration possibilities in the future, Traktor will present more freedom than ever for Midi-mappers."
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... p?t=166665

ew · Post by ew » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:44 pm

Crackbaby wrote:i think it's pretty clear that by "forcing" he means that "if you want to use all the functions in the program that you have bought and own, then you are FORCED to hack ...."

?

That's like complaining back when 64 bit first started coming around that the developers were forcing you to buy a 64 bit system.
"Oh my- this supports way more RAM than my 32 bit system allows. They're forcing me to go 64 bit. Evil developers..."

ew

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:54 pm

deastman wrote:Perhaps I should start a new topic, but I'm still debating about buying Maschine, and would like to hear from some current owners. I'm still not totally sold after watching some of the demo videos. It seems very fiddly with lots of menus, modes, and function keys to learn your way around.

There can be some of that. I tend to use it without the controller just as much as with it and do most of sound selecting and editing on the computer.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:02 pm

Uncle E wrote:
deastman wrote:Perhaps I should start a new topic, but I'm still debating about buying Maschine, and would like to hear from some current owners. I'm still not totally sold after watching some of the demo videos. It seems very fiddly with lots of menus, modes, and function keys to learn your way around.
There can be some of that. I tend to use it without the controller just as much as with it and do most of sound selecting and editing on the computer.

Yeah, I'm actually pretty happy with the padKontrol. I wish there was a software-only option for Maschine.

bunnywrench · Post by **bunnywrench** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:40 pm

deastman wrote:I wish there was a software-only option for Maschine.

You can use the Maschine software only without the controller. But that would be silly imo. For me, it's only useful for when you're on the go and just have your laptop with you.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:16 pm

deastman wrote:Yeah, I'm actually pretty happy with the padKontrol. I wish there was a software-only option for Maschine.

I want iMaschine to be able control Maschine.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:18 pm

bunnywrench wrote:You can use the Maschine software only without the controller. But that would be silly imo. For me, it's only useful for when you're on the go and just have your laptop with you.

Which often describes me. Even without the controller, I prefer using Maschine over most other DAW's.

Native Instruments Maschine Discontinued ??