Propellerhead updates Reason to v6.5.1
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- KVRist
- 194 posts since 28 Nov, 2009
I really can't believe that they didn't include delay compensation in the 6.5 release or this update. With the influx of 'delay inducing RE's' for the release, this was a real no-brainer to me.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Their chief technical developer stated in one of the (now locked) earlier threads that it will be incredibly difficult to get a working PDC in Reason.
Based on that bleak analysis of his, I suggest that we are going to be waiting 2-3 years at an absolute bare minimum. Unless the guy has a sudden epiphany of course!
We've been asking for MIDI out for several years, and that's still not in sight. They are only a very small development team (the whole company is only around 25 employees).
Based on that bleak analysis of his, I suggest that we are going to be waiting 2-3 years at an absolute bare minimum. Unless the guy has a sudden epiphany of course!
We've been asking for MIDI out for several years, and that's still not in sight. They are only a very small development team (the whole company is only around 25 employees).
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- KVRAF
- 4090 posts since 29 Jun, 2011 from USA
Perhaps Props should have let the user-base decided what Reason should be. Instead they seemed to be determined to do it their way. I think Reason would look quite different now and it might have been much more central to peoples set up.
Aiynzahev-sounds
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- Banned
- 432 posts since 12 Apr, 2012
the user-base just wanted: vst support, drag and drop and midi out. The rest ("wow", "fantastic" etc.) is fanboysm, like apple fans when talk about "revolution" for something absolutely normal (see the ipod when we used mp3 on RIOs years before, etc.) See how fanboys reacted when RE was announced...Aiynzahev wrote:Perhaps Props should have let the user-base decided what Reason should be. Instead they seemed to be determined to do it their way. I think Reason would look quite different now and it might have been much more central to peoples set up.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Actually there's a ton of other things that Reason lacks, which some users want at least...
In my case, a high request would be for wider audio file format support. Not a very sexy request I know... but I like to use field recordings, sometimes including stuff from Freesound, etc. But Reason only support 16/24 bit Wav/aiff, so whenever I want to use an OGG, MP3 or 32bit wave file I have to use an external application to convert them first before they even show in Reason's browser. Given this is 2012 and there are many audio formats that are widely used, that's very lame.
Other big requests from users include PDC, built in ReCycle/slicing, better audio editing, MP3 export/web support, resizeable/scalable UI for the rack, group track folders, mixer groups, track markers on the mixer .... as somebody who frequents these threads a lot, you know these are regular requests
As a DAW, Reason is painfully behind all the competition.
In my case, a high request would be for wider audio file format support. Not a very sexy request I know... but I like to use field recordings, sometimes including stuff from Freesound, etc. But Reason only support 16/24 bit Wav/aiff, so whenever I want to use an OGG, MP3 or 32bit wave file I have to use an external application to convert them first before they even show in Reason's browser. Given this is 2012 and there are many audio formats that are widely used, that's very lame.
Other big requests from users include PDC, built in ReCycle/slicing, better audio editing, MP3 export/web support, resizeable/scalable UI for the rack, group track folders, mixer groups, track markers on the mixer .... as somebody who frequents these threads a lot, you know these are regular requests
As a DAW, Reason is painfully behind all the competition.
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- Banned
- 432 posts since 12 Apr, 2012
(1) wider audio file format: reason supports ONLY aiff, wav and rex, because, as far as I know (but, hey, i could mistake) recycle imports and exports only wav/aiff. So, since PH still sell recycle, they want you to buy it and focus on this copyrighted format (rx2). So, when they introduced "audio tracks" in reason, they actually introduced ONLY "aiff/wav/rex" tracks.headquest wrote:Actually there's a ton of other things that Reason lacks, which some users want at least...
In my case, a high request would be for wider audio file format support. Not a very sexy request I know... but I like to use field recordings, sometimes including stuff from Freesound, etc. But Reason only support 16/24 bit Wav/aiff, so whenever I want to use an OGG, MP3 or 32bit wave file I have to use an external application to convert them first before they even show in Reason's browser. Given this is 2012 and there are many audio formats that are widely used, that's very lame.
Other big requests from users include PDC, built in ReCycle/slicing, better audio editing, MP3 export/web support, resizeable/scalable UI for the rack, group track folders, mixer groups, track markers on the mixer .... as somebody who frequents these threads a lot, you know these are regular requests
As a DAW, Reason is painfully behind all the competition.
(2) built in recycle slicing: again, you have to buy Recycle. I don't see why they should give away such a function for free.
(3) reziseable/scalable UI: they explained they can't because of something linked to the code.
For the rest, i did not even know Reason has delay issues
This could explain their no-no-no about vst support?
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- KVRian
- 667 posts since 27 Jul, 2010
Plugin Delay Compensation?
Isn't that already built in to Reason?.. as it applies to it's built in instruments.. not actual plug-ins.
Isn't that already built in to Reason?.. as it applies to it's built in instruments.. not actual plug-ins.
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- KVRAF
- 5200 posts since 17 Aug, 2004
No it's not and no it doesn't apply to instruments it should be applied to effects because some of them introduce delay in signal path. Example look ahead limiter, vocoder, neptune, polar etc...it's actually explained in the manual ..progtronic wrote:Plugin Delay Compensation?
Isn't that already built in to Reason?.. as it applies to it's built in instruments.. not actual plug-ins.
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- KVRian
- 667 posts since 27 Jul, 2010
ahh ok, I got ya.
I stopped using Reason, at ver.4, years ago.. so I'm really out of the loop.
I stopped using Reason, at ver.4, years ago.. so I'm really out of the loop.
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- Banned
- 432 posts since 12 Apr, 2012
... and that could explain their "no, no, no, never" regarding vst support?kmonkey wrote:No it's not and no it doesn't apply to instruments it should be applied to effects because some of them introduce delay in signal path. Example look ahead limiter, vocoder, neptune, polar etc...it's actually explained in the manual ..progtronic wrote:Plugin Delay Compensation?
Isn't that already built in to Reason?.. as it applies to it's built in instruments.. not actual plug-ins.
And the fact reason is not even rewire master...-
- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Well there's not even any compensation for a bunch of their own devices that sorely need it ... !!myrna wrote:... and that could explain their "no, no, no, never" regarding vst support?kmonkey wrote:No it's not and no it doesn't apply to instruments it should be applied to effects because some of them introduce delay in signal path. Example look ahead limiter, vocoder, neptune, polar etc...it's actually explained in the manual ..progtronic wrote:Plugin Delay Compensation?
Isn't that already built in to Reason?.. as it applies to it's built in instruments.. not actual plug-ins.
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Richard_Synapse Richard_Synapse https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=245936 - KVRian
- 1187 posts since 20 Dec, 2010
In the VST world it can apply to instruments too, it's just not widely supported. When PDC is introduced, it would be good to have it for any plug in. Then we could add e.g. a lookahead compressor to a synth, etc.kmonkey wrote:No it's not and no it doesn't apply to instruments it should be applied to effects because some of them introduce delay in signal path. Example look ahead limiter, vocoder, neptune, polar etc...it's actually explained in the manual ..progtronic wrote:Plugin Delay Compensation?
Isn't that already built in to Reason?.. as it applies to it's built in instruments.. not actual plug-ins.
Richard
Synapse Audio Software - www.synapse-audio.com
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- Banned
- 3946 posts since 25 Jan, 2009
If you want a userbase requested cluster-f**k, buy FL Studio. If you want a streamlined self-contained soft studio, stick to Reason. You guys keep nagging about Reason not being something it was never meant to be. It is like reading someone complaining that apples don' t taste like bananas.Aiynzahev wrote:Perhaps Props should have let the user-base decided what Reason should be. Instead they seemed to be determined to do it their way. I think Reason would look quite different now and it might have been much more central to peoples set up.
There are plenty of DAWs to choose from on the market covering all kind of needs. Just choose with care from what already is and not what you hope a årogram to be in the future. Simple as that.
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- Banned
- 432 posts since 12 Apr, 2012
well, for some people (myself included) userbase rules: if propellerheads are that rich now it is thanks to the userbase who bought their products. That is why they should at least explain some grave gaps (no midi out, no vst support, no delay compensation, no drag and drop, etc.). Why? Because Reason is not a free product, on the contrary it is quite expensive for what it offers.IncarnateX wrote:If you want a userbase requested cluster-f**k, buy FL Studio. If you want a streamlined self-contained soft studio, stick to Reason. You guys keep nagging about Reason not being something it was never meant to be. It is like reading someone complaining that apples don' t taste like bananas.Aiynzahev wrote:Perhaps Props should have let the user-base decided what Reason should be. Instead they seemed to be determined to do it their way. I think Reason would look quite different now and it might have been much more central to peoples set up.
There are plenty of DAWs to choose from on the market covering all kind of needs. Just choose with care from what already is and not what you hope a årogram to be in the future. Simple as that.