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Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:04 pm

Howard wrote:
Ingonator wrote:So far everyone failed to do either an emulation or reprogramming a convincing recreation of the Novachord sound.
I made a patch for ACE that was based on (my memory of) the Novachord, but I wouldn't mind having a serious go at an emulation or two. Got any samples for use as "targets"?

Hi Howard,

i just started an experiment to try recreating the Novachord in Mutools MUX.
My reference is Soniccouture Novachord with which i first tried to analyze the raw waveform (which seems to be a Sawtooth) and what happens when i use the controls in the Soniccouture Novachord GUI.
Here is what i found so far about the original controls:

- Resonators 1-3:
Those seem to be a combination of a saw waveform and a BP filter with Resonance.
The difference of Resonators 1-3 seems to be the Cutoff frequency of the BP filter. The knob in the original synth seems to control the Gain/level of each of the Resonators (= Saw/BPF combination).

- Deep Tone:
This seems to correspond to a LP filter and the control at the snth seems to control the Gain/level of the Resonators sent trough the LPF filter.

- Brilliant Tone:
First i thought this should be a HPf filter but it seems to be a LPF/HPF combination. The synth control/knob again seems to control the gain/level of the Resonators sent through the LPF/HPF combination.

- Full Tone:
Not totally sure but this seems to be a BPf/LPF combination (or a different HPF/LPF combination). Again the synth knob(control seems to control the gain/level of the Resonators sent trough the BPF/LPF combination.

In fact all the 3 filter controls at the original synth seem to be a mixer for the 3 different filters and do not control the Cutoff frequency.
I am trying to set the correct Cutoff frequencies of all filters involved using a Signal Analzyer and my own ears.

So far i have not implemented the "Bright/Mellow" control and the vibrato.
A Chorus FX is added too already.

I'll post the MUX preset as soon as i think i am at least close to the target including the vibrato etc. As controls at the MUX interface i try to use the same as in the real synth.

PS:
Those who don't know MUX could check here:
http://www.mutools.com/mux-product.html

You could also use another VST plugin as a module which i have already tried with TAL U-NO-LX.

Ingo

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:37 pm

^emulating an emulation

Howard, there's a few Novachord vids on youtubes - sound quality not brilliant, but you get a general idea of the sound (very vintage stringmachine, to my ears) along with info about its various quirks.

The timbre of a single note is doable. The question then is how much the paraphonic behaviour adds to the sound.

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:46 pm

@Howard: After you tried to emulate the Novachord stuff I'd love to see a hang drum patch for Zebra from you (I've seen in some other thread that you seem to be hang drum fan too)

Cheers
Dennis

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:48 pm

^ HS Hung Drum?

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:53 pm

hakey wrote:^ HS Hung Drum?

Why haven't I seen that preset before? Sounds really great!

Cheers
Dennis

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:56 pm

hakey wrote:^emulating an emulation

Do you have a better idea? I guess there are around 3 working Novachords around the world and the Soniccouture Kontakt instrument uses the original synth controls and with the samples sound wise it comes at close as possible.
Oh and it's not a usual emulation as it uses samples of the real thing. For sure this should be easier than using a YouTube video.

Before i could think about details like paraphonic behavior i first had to analyze how the synth engine itself works which in most parts i guess i have found now. With the multiple filters used it would be almost impossible to do this with a non-modular synth except for some less complex sounds which don't use all filters maybe. Anyway you already need 3 BP filters only for the 3 "Resonators".
The MUX oscillators have an Unison with adjustable voices, detune and stereo spread which could maybe help at the end.

BTW i never claimed i would be successful, i said i will try. Besides that is a nice opportunity to learn more about MUX.

Here is a screenshot of one of my Novachord presets:

This is a screenshot of the current MUX preset (work in progress...):

UPDATE (2.9.2012):
I updated the screenshot of the current MUX preset.
Basically the Novachord main interface seems to be mostly a mixer for 7 different filters where the "Mellow/Bright" control is another LPF.

More info here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 86#5054886

Ingo

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:34 pm

Bronto Scorpio wrote:
hakey wrote:^ HS Hung Drum?

Why haven't I seen that preset before?

Until your post I didn't know there was any such thing as a hang drum - thought Howard's patch was intended as a steel drum of the Caribbean kind.

D N A · Post by **D N A** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:12 pm

briandc wrote:Wow! Lots of stuff here already!

I know that a) it's possible to go to youtube or the sites of the synths themselves, in order to hear some samples of patches; and that b) there are many external factors that come into play, such as added effects.
However, I prefer to hear directly from people, as to what their favorite sounds are, or especially, what they think is a unique sound that other synths can't produce.

Uniqueness is what I'm curious to hear.
(I have a few I've discovered on Yoshimi that I'll try to add later..)

brian

Well, I'll try

First, some of my favourite patches I created for Tone2 Gladiator synth

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... s_Huge.mp3
Well, I just love that pad. I created it using Gladiator's randomizer, then tweaked

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... _Opera.mp3
Another pad - cold, "space opera"

pad - actually quite easy to achieve with gladiator

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... a_Town.mp3
Another randomized sound. Quite unique actually - some kind of Asian instrument

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... alogia.mp3
Just a warm pad

Sylenth - it's trance, EDM machine but can make some amazing pads too:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... h-Pad0.mp3
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... h-Pad1.mp3
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... h-Pad2.mp3
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... h-Pad3.mp3

and some "proper" Sylenth usage - some EDM, Trance whatever melody - Cafe Del Mar inspired tune
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... el_Mar.mp3

V-Station - my favourite synth, probably i know it the most (compared to other synths i have). I like that it's quite limited synth, and i love to push this synth to the limit. I like it's bright sound - great for main melodies, but it's still possible to make some interesting, smooth sounds.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... _Chord.mp3
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... lavour.mp3
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... _Pluck.mp3
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... Melody.mp3
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... op_Arp.mp3

Toxic Biohazard - very powerful, and to be honest one of the most underestimated synths. combination of FM synthesis + custom waveforms + 6 oscillators offers very, very wide range of sounds. I tried (with success

) to replicate a lot of commercial sounds with Toxic Biohazard.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/756231/mp3_dem ... ce_Arp.mp3
Ok, maybe it's not about pushing to the limit

but I just like this recreation of Nu-Nrg - Buttefly hard dance track. Powerful arpeggio, I like how resonance filter works here.

ps. aah, all fx are internal plugin FXs. no cheating

mcnoone · Post by **mcnoone** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:14 pm

briandc wrote:
mcnoone wrote:
briandc wrote:Would it be possible to share a favorite sound on this forum?
brian
Hi Brian.
You can check this site out.
It's loaded with great synth mp3 examples to dl.
http://www.synthmania.com/

I also have a lot of sound examples done using Zebra and Dune here.
https://soundcloud.com/monomo
Hi mcnoone!
thanks for BOTH links!
Lots of interesting stuff to sink my teeth into..

brian

briandc · Post by **briandc** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:28 pm

Hey everyone,

at the moment I'm playing around with Latte Free. Pretty amazing free VST. Here's a couple examples, one "classic" and one a bit more "modern" :

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86426969/Ocarina.ogg

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86426969/SweetDrops.ogg

I'll be checking out the newer posts here tomorrow, I haven't had time to get to them yet!

brian

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:24 pm

pdxindy wrote:Here are some individual preset sounds from Bazille...

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille3.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille25.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille6seq.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille22.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille21.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille8.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille9.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille24c.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille30.mp3

If you want uniqueness, there it is...

Here are a set from Diva

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva-12.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva35.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva-9.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva29.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva36.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva38.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva42.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva47.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva44.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva54.mp3

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:31 pm

After I listened to Howards HS Hung Drum preset I tried to make my own hang drum preset in Zebra. As always, I wasn't going for a straight emulation but for something unique. It still sounds quite hang drum/steel drum-ish though

I still have to tweek some things but here is a small audio demo (The melody isn't very hang drum like but I thought it fits the sound quite well):

Hang drum-ish mallet thingy (WIP)

Cheers
Dennis

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:46 pm

Bronto Scorpio wrote:After I listened to Howards HS Hung Drum preset I tried to make my own hang drum preset in Zebra. As always, I wasn't going for a straight emulation but for something unique. It still sounds quite hang drum/steel drum-ish though

I still have to tweek some things but here is a small audio demo (The melody isn't very hang drum like but I thought it fits the sound quite well):

Hang drum-ish mallet thingy (WIP)

Cheers
Dennis

Lovely sound!

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:11 am

pdxindy wrote:
pdxindy wrote:Here are some individual preset sounds from Bazille...

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille3.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille25.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille6seq.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille22.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille21.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille8.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille9.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille24c.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Bazille30.mp3

If you want uniqueness, there it is...

Here are a set from Diva

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva-12.wav
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva35.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva-9.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva29.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva36.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva38.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva42.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva47.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva44.mp3
http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva54.mp3

hollo · Post by **hollo** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:59 am

@pdxindy

Some of them are heart stopping beautiful!

Is there any way i can get the presets from you?
Solardrop, Evoltring, etc.. do you have a bank or something?

Congrat!

Patch wars?