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MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:31 pm

Indeed. And another reason: Cubase does not have the extreme flexible routing that MuLab has. In MuLab each track can send to any module, even on any modular hierarchy level i.e. even directly to deep nested modules!

janamdo · Post by **janamdo** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:34 pm

So it is impossible as i understand.. even MUX as Vsti is limited in use

janamdo · Post by **janamdo** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:41 pm

mutools wrote:Indeed. And another reason: Cubase does not have the extreme flexible routing that MuLab has. In MuLab each track can send to any module, even on any modular hierarchy level i.e. even directly to deep nested modules!

I bought Cubase 6.5 ( not for full prize ofcourse..too much, but is also outstanding ) not for replacing Mulab, but for classical composing, has also my interest for now.
Than i bought MUX vsti and i am curious what is possible with this in Cubase, but to transfer a song from Mulab to Cubase is not possible?..no
Yes, it has than to do with the parts handling in Mulab comparing this with Cubase is it totally different.

The midi notes in Cubase and Mulab trigger different audio internal routing for a song to hear.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:35 pm

It's not 'impossible' but i'm afraid it will take some extra work, it's not as straightforward as it may look.

After a bit of thinking, i would do it this way:

Make sure each track in MuLab targets a separate Rack or MUX. Then save each rack or MUX as a preset file. Also export the song as a MIDI file. In cubase import the MIDI file, this should give you back all tracks. You'll loose the individual part and sequence info though. Now for each cubase track insert a MUX Vst. If your MuLab tracks targetted MUXes, then you can directly load the saved MUX preset in MUX Vst. If you have saved rack presets, then first insert a rack in the MUX Vst, properly connect it, and then load the relevant rack preset in it. All this together should bring you your song back.

Note that this is a theoretical guess, i did not try that in practice myself.

janamdo · Post by **janamdo** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:40 pm

Thanks!

Then first insert a rack in the MUX Vst, properly connect it, and then load the relevant rack preset in it. All this together should bring you your song back.

Yes, this intuitive idea i had this before too, but lost the right direction by reading further this thread.
Load the track preset in the MUX ( the sound from the mulab session )..sounds logical to me.
Who knows?.. the mulab sessions can be heard in Cubase.. i must try this out

AndreasD · Post by **AndreasD** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:32 am

Thanks!
I didn't even realize that you can save racks. Something i always wanted to do.
It was a bit trial and error to find the preset management for racks, but it finally worked (right click on the rack name and use save/load preset).

janamdo · Post by **janamdo** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:44 am

AndreasD wrote:Thanks!
I didn't even realize that you can save racks. Something i always wanted to do.

Does it work for you ..? bring a mulab session to life again in Cubase?
I did a attempt, but get confused about the 2 MUX vsti possible
- MUX as synth
- MUX as effect
So a saved a (rack) preset in the MUX folder
But there is no distinction in MUX synth presets and MUX effects presets if you save them in one folder or i am wrong ?
-MUXsynth = .MUrack
-MUXeffect= ??

Perhaps can this be improved ?
Note
Mux folder (App) are Effects + Instruments , but a user has rackpresets (sound ) or rack effects (correct?), So a user i must add in the MUX folder also 2 subfolders : rack presets + rack effects ?
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MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:02 pm

Why don't you stay in MuLab?

janamdo · Post by **janamdo** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:14 pm

mutools wrote:Why don't you stay in MuLab?

Mulab can be used for composing too, but i use also besides Cubase a composer
It is for this composer that i want to investigate if it possible to get the Mulab session files in this..so Cubase acts as a testing ground here.
So that is goal, not for Cubase itself, but for a composer program.
In this composer it it much easier to work with chords and the other notes for a remix.

But Cubase has also much to offer with the expressionmap feature to get realistic sounds and you can enhance a Mulab song

AndreasD · Post by **AndreasD** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:18 pm

I just created an instrument track in Cubase, loaded MUX (inevitably MUX Synth), replaced the polysynth with a rack and loaded the pre-saved MuRack.
Similar with an FX track, but starting from a Basic Effect and replacig the Mixer Strip with a Mux Rack.

Works perfectly.

About Mux Synth or Mux Effect, the Mux actually doesn't care at all.
Example: when i start to create a synth patch, i start with Basic Effect(!) as with the Basic Synth i have to delete everything first. I like to start with a clean sheet.
When finished, i save the patch under Instruments.
Works!

What you have to look at is how Cubase uses various setups!
1) Instrument tracks receive midi events and output audio
2) Anything in the Instrument Rack works the same as 1) but can receive midi input from more than one midi track
3) Mix channel inserts receive audio and output audio
4) FX tracks receive audio and output audio

Now all depends on what your MUX contains.
If the MUX needs midi events, go for 1) or 2).
If the MUX should to process audio, use 3) or 4).

As far as i know, the MUX Synth and Effect DLLs are actually the same, but Cubase requires different instances to handle 1)/2) [midi in/audio out] and 3)/4) [audio in and out]. And Cubase forces you to use the Synth in the 1)/2) case and Effect in the 3)/4) case. What you really put in the Mux is still your own decision.

janamdo · Post by **janamdo** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:25 pm

Thanks for this workout!
This is for Cubase ,but how will it be for the composer ?

I just follow this..

I just created an instrument track in Cubase, loaded MUX (inevitably MUX Synth), replaced the polysynth with a rack and loaded the pre-saved MuRack.
Similar with an FX track, but starting from a Basic Effect and replacig the Mixer Strip with a Mux Rack.

replaced the polysynth with a rack and loaded the pre-saved MuRack.

What is happening here? .. i load a MUX VSt synth in the composer track..the polysynth sits in the deep editor ? ..the polysynth is the soundgenerating system for the "basic synth" sound (preset)..i make a rack of it

Note: perhaps a idea to get in the context menu for poly Synth -> replace with rack ? ( i don't have to search anymore to the rack )
How to load a rack ? ..

janamdo · Post by **janamdo** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:15 am

Please explain this in detail how to get one midi track in Cubase with a Mux synth and Mux effect.
I tried, but get lost with it
Mulab is not focussed on letting people do transfer Mulab sessions file to Cubase.

AndreasD · Post by **AndreasD** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:53 am

janamdo wrote:Thanks for this workout!
This is for Cubase ,but how will it be for the composer ?

I just follow this..
I just created an instrument track in Cubase, loaded MUX (inevitably MUX Synth), replaced the polysynth with a rack and loaded the pre-saved MuRack.
Similar with an FX track, but starting from a Basic Effect and replacig the Mixer Strip with a Mux Rack.

replaced the polysynth with a rack and loaded the pre-saved MuRack.

What is happening here? .. i load a MUX VSt synth in the composer track..the polysynth sits in the deep editor ? ..the polysynth is the soundgenerating system for the "basic synth" sound (preset)..i make a rack of it

Note: perhaps a idea to get in the context menu for poly Synth -> replace with rack ? ( i don't have to search anymore to the rack )
How to load a rack ? ..

What happens is that the polysynth is replaced by a rack, which will be loaded with a Mulab Rack Preset.
As you want to have the Mulab Rack in the Cubase Composer, i assume that the rack was meant to receive midi and has a synth in the 1st rack slot!
That puts the polysynth back into the MUX.

How to load a rack? Right click and select the 'other' folder, where you can find the Rack.
How to load your saved in Mulab rack preset? Right click on the just created rack module and select Load Preset.

Once you have done this, save this MUX with the rack inside. For the next composer track load this MUX again and load the next rack preset.
So, once all the Mulab racks have been saved, you should have this going in Cubase in a few minutes.

By the way, you asked previously where to store racks. Add a folder called Racks in the Mulab/User folder. Then you have all your saved racks in one place.
Or you save the racks that should go into the Cubase composer in Instruments and racks that should go into FX channels in Effects.

AndreasD · Post by **AndreasD** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:09 am

One more comment:
If in your Mulab session a rack has only the synth loaded, i would save that synth patch (in case any front panel control has been changed) and in Cubase just load this patch in the MUX synth created in the composer.
Obviously you have to copy the patches from the Mulab folder into the MUX folder.
For any effect used, create FX channels in Cubase and load the effect patches in the MUX effect.

Set the respective send levels in the Cubase mixer channels.

janamdo · Post by **janamdo** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:07 pm

This gonne be difficult , because Mulab has no "Rack" save and load default in his GUI

I can't still follow your explanation about a "other "folder ?
Or do i miss something?

How to load a rack? Right click and select the 'other' folder, where you can find the Rack.
How to load your saved in Mulab rack preset? Right click on the just created rack module and select Load Preset.

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