Ableton, all plugins cause *automation* pdc issues, very good discussion within.. lots of info!

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Mushy Mushy wrote:
memyselfandus wrote:thanks for the video Theo! Any chance one of you guys could upload a project so people could download it try it out?
It took me 2mins to set up. Just do it there yourself.
it would definitely eliminate any user error on anyone else's part

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TheoM wrote:
Mushy Mushy wrote:
TheoM wrote:what plugin are you using? fab filter on 700ms linear phase max latency mode?

(live 8 makes no difference)
ProQ on "Linear Phase - Maximum Latency"

No mention of 700ms though :shrug:
so you are the only person that is not having the pdc with automation problem :shrug:

the plugin is on the same track and you are using normal TRACK automation?

Please i have to see this to understand, and then i have something to attack ableton with.

do you have jing? it would take approx 5 minutes as you don't need to go into detail, it's free and you could do a screendump and post it :shrug:

i don't know what to say.

all lives have worked the same for me.

Unless it's the way their MAC version is and all this time no one has realised that some people say "i don't notice it' because it's the windows version and all the people complaining are on mac.. now wouldn't that be an unbelievable revelation!

ps you are using PDC to "on", yes?
Do you have WhatsApp on your phone?
Could record it on the phone and msg you.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

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memyselfandus wrote:
Mushy Mushy wrote:
memyselfandus wrote:thanks for the video Theo! Any chance one of you guys could upload a project so people could download it try it out?
It took me 2mins to set up. Just do it there yourself.
it would definitely eliminate any user error on anyone else's part
True. Can't argue with that.
I have nowhere to post it though.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

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@Theo, thanks for the clear explanation and workarounds for the PDC issues!

I'm about to add Live 9 to my arsenal but this issue is really holding me back.
From what I could find on the matter this is known since Live 6 or 7 and the reasons why it can't be fixed supposedly are that it's hardcoded deep in the software and much of the original developers jumped ship to Bitwig.

Then again, I also read some users aren't affected by it at all -such as Mushy Myshy claims. I hope he can provide a video as well.

For now I'm gonna try to see if I can reproduce the issue myself but once again thanks for taking the time to clearify!
Win8.1 64x/Live 9/Steinberg UR44/Roland HP 235/Edirol PCR-800/Eastman AC222/Washburn D12/Ch. Les Paul/Behringer BCF2000 & BCR2000/Korg Nanopad 2/Focusrite VRM Box/AT 2020/2xB5/E825s/Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250/Tannoy 502

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Mushy Mushy wrote:
TheoM wrote:what plugin are you using? fab filter on 700ms linear phase max latency mode?

(live 8 makes no difference)
ProQ on "Linear Phase - Maximum Latency"

No mention of 700ms though :shrug:
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His autyomation wasn't exactly before the kick though. If you copied his exaclty, it might not have been delayed enough from your plug-in to cut into the kick sound. Try putting the volume mute automation right before the kick.

Good video by the way. Explains things well.

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Spiritos wrote:@Theo, thanks for the clear explanation and workarounds for the PDC issues!

I'm about to add Live 9 to my arsenal but this issue is really holding me back.
From what I could find on the matter this is known since Live 6 or 7 and the reasons why it can't be fixed supposedly are that it's hardcoded deep in the software and much of the original developers jumped ship to Bitwig.

Then again, I also read some users aren't affected by it at all -such as Mushy Myshy claims. I hope he can provide a video as well.

For now I'm gonna try to see if I can reproduce the issue myself but once again thanks for taking the time to clearify!
box.net.com is really awesome and free

you can email it to me and I can have someone upload it also if you want to PM me

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I just tried it on Live 8 on my MacBook Pro and the automation (Track Volume) with Pro-Q set to max latency is appearing in the right place. The playhead is out, but the audio sounds the way it should. I've placed the cuts very close to the hits.

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if anyone out there can replicate either outcome.. if you could upload a project file that would be amazing. it will give a ton of other people a chance to try it on their systems.

windows and mac
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Gamma-UT wrote:I just tried it on Live 8 on my MacBook Pro and the automation (Track Volume) with Pro-Q set to max latency is appearing in the right place. The playhead is out, but the audio sounds the way it should. I've placed the cuts very close to the hits.
Exactly. The play head is out, but that's hardly a show stopper.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

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