MuLab & MUX: What's Next

[Trancit]

Ok,
I see, that we've got different views

First of all: What do you want to achieve with this new layer system???

The only reason I can imagine for sounddesign/respectfully, which would make sense, is to have the ability to dial in different "scales" for the unison... everything else can be more easily and faster achieved by using 2 instead of one Oscillator...
For reaching different "scales" (don't know, if this is the right term) it would make much more sense to me, to have different options to choose from like
-linear
-logarythmic
-exponential
-negative exponential
...
This would be an absolutely highlight to have...
This would mean more work for you, but much much much much much less work for every user

Same would be valid for the stereo spreading...
Everything else doesn't make any sense, because you either would not hear any difference or it would sound absolutely weird or it's easier to use a second Oscillator (and have even more options)...

So again the question: Why do we need the new system like it is now????

Second of all: Why do you think has no other Synth a Unison system like this exclusively???... To be honest, there is only one instrument I am aware of, which uses a system like this, but only for the reason, that you got the ability to choose a different waveform for each unison voice too...

I can only imagine 2 logical reasons for:

1. There is for 99% of all sounds simply no need for such detail, especially with higher voice count
2. It's an absolutely PITA to work with and again big NO, presets don't help at all... the finetuning stays "theoretical and non realtime" simply because you cannot move 9 detune values with different directions at once and if you have to move them seperately you loose the reference to the sound and the other values for sure...

Sorry Jo, but still in my opinion, that's not the right way...
Please, please can you offer the previous version for me... I simply cannot work with this new one!!!

[Trancit]

MUX reports "outgoing latency" to the host!!!

I forgot to say: Do you know that you can tell MUX Vst which latency to report to the host? It's in the deep editor options menu. Ok, it's manual, but at least there is a way.

No, I didn't noticed this... thx for the hint... manually is fine

[fluffy_little_something]

Just played around with the layer options for the first time, they are indeed a bit extreme. I don't think I will ever open that edit view again. To me those 4 unison modes are more than enough - if I liked unison to begin with, which I don't

I also preferred the old system where you simply added waves and spread when you felt the sound was not thick enough, without caring about other options such as panning, detuning, volume and what not.

But maybe freaks with lots of spare time for experimentation like that kind of stuff, who knows... Stockhausen and such guys

[dakkra]

Maybe we can have both?

I already talked to Jo about having both and we came to a sort of impasse

Maybe when we edit the layers, the values on the "normal" unison controls will grey out? Then, if you want to use the normal controls again, you can have some sort of 'reset" button?

[MuTools]

I'm not against the previous system, i never said i was. The only issue i'm highlighting is an incompatibility between the quick way and the deep way. Ok, i'll do my best to re-include the quick way in the next version, most probably via the layer menu though. Now in worst case when a user has edited using the deep editor, and then chooses to use the quick way, sound may suddenly change because the 3 quick way parameters won't reflect the deep edit. But that's not the end of te world i guess. Last but not least: I also have a wishlist note about direct buttons for the different layer funcs as has been suggested before. Will try to get it all into the next version.

[Trancit]

Thx...

And thx to the others... I already felt like I am the only one not getting around the new system

[sl23]

Personally, I'd prefer the older system. Easier and faster.

[MuTools]

Below is a preview of how it is in the next version. You can easily switch between Quick & Deep Modes. Changing values always has immediate effect. In Quick Mode you also get a new Amp Dim parameter that will dim the most detuned layers a bit, gives a nice effect. Deep Mode stays the same as is now.

Also note the presets button at the right of the "Layers" button in the osc editor. Clicking the "Layers" button itself opens the editor, clicking the little presets button is a quick way to load super layer presets.

Hope you like it.

[dakkra]

Hope you like it.

Awesome!

[Trancit]

That's a very good compromise and thx for the extra goodies like having the phase settings now in the editor

[MuTools]

New test version coming soon.

[Trancit]

That's why I love you!!!!

[elassi]

Vibration,
ein Stoßseufzer,
hie und da,
das Kleid,
im nassen Schweiß gebadet,
klebt,
die Luft am Körper,
dampft.

Und doch,
ich lächle.

(MUX poems, v0.2 beta)

______

[Trancit]

Vibration,
ein Stoßseufzer,
hie und da,
das Kleid,
im nassen Schweiß gebadet,
klebt,
die Luft am Körper,
dampft.

Und doch,
ich lächle.

(MUX poems, v0.2 beta)

______

So so...dass das hier keiner missversteht!!!

[elassi]

So so...dass das hier keiner missversteht!!!

It's of course dealing with the dancefloor feeling.