KVR Audio

Richard_Synapse · Post by **Richard_Synapse** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:14 pm

beely wrote:I just hope that Apple will not move to completely abstract the filesystem in OSX - that thought horrifies me...

You mean force a cloud based model on users?

Interesting idea, though atm I'm not worried. They surely read the newspapers

Richard

DaveHoskins · Post by **DaveHoskins** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:39 pm

Richard_Synapse wrote:
beely wrote:I just hope that Apple will not move to completely abstract the filesystem in OSX - that thought horrifies me...
You mean force a cloud based model on users?

Interesting idea, though atm I'm not worried. They surely read the newspapers

Richard

It may only be a few years before we hear "What's a 'disc drive'? Never heard of one"
*shudder*

beely · Post by **beely** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:43 pm

Richard_Synapse wrote:
beely wrote:I just hope that Apple will not move to completely abstract the filesystem in OSX - that thought horrifies me...
You mean force a cloud based model on users?

Well, more along the lines of IOS, which as far as the user is concerned does not have a concept of a general filesystem. You magically save a file in the app you are using, and you do not know or care about what's going on in memory/disk/cloud etc - the file will be available to that app (and that app only).

So you just save a file, but have no ability to move, organise, consolidate or generally manage files at the file system level. The file system is abstracted away almost completely..

DaveHoskins · Post by **DaveHoskins** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:19 pm

This is quite an interesting post. It's probably true in some businesses already:

"By 2016, most new IT spending will be in the cloud"
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-comput ... oud-229660

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:20 pm

The optimism in regards of the cloud reminds me of Pixelpark in 1999, where an art director would cost 20000$ a day for some random web design.

As the major players are American companies, the EU will require European companies to store their data at home. And pop there goes the cloud.

jendakub · Post by **jendakub** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:40 pm

Hello,

Is there any official statement where sandboxed AU plugin can store and access its data? For any app it is its container in User/Containers/com.appdomain.appname/ however where is the space for AU plugin? (It does not seems to create a container for AU plugin.)

Blue Cat Audio · Post by **Blue Cat Audio** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:47 pm

A plug-in can access its host app container. Which means a different container everytime it is hosted in a different app.

Sandboxing concepts have been created for apps. The issue with sharing data between apps thru a plug-in is that it creates holes in the sandboxes (more precisely a tunnel effect

), and it just breaks the entire thing...

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:19 am

Oh you devs are so sweet. You worry so much. But we all know that in the end you will submit like a dog to his master, a slave to the whip, a junkie to his dope. Everybody of you want a piece of the Apple, just admit it

Apple are just securing their excellent software and at the same time playing the game of capitalism brilliantly. Monopoly and survival of the fittest are the rules of the games and Apple are just ahead of everybody as usual, which naturally will cause a lot of angest, envy, despair, paranoia and mass hysteria.

You will adopt and if you don't, you will perish, just like it should be according to the wonderful Darwinistic laws of capitalism as well as evolution in general

I wish you all good luck. May the best of you survive and the rest turn to dust.

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:20 am

I'm assuming an architecture like iOS's inter-app audio doesn't make sense on a desktop, but I'm not completely clear why - does anyone have a good sense of this off-hand? It seems to me like that kind of system would be a little more comprehensible here, and for a few other things.

[e] More comprehensible for more sophisticated plugs, anyway. Still a bit weird in a lot of ways.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:28 am

IncarnateX wrote:Oh you devs are so sweet. You worry so much. But we all know that in the end you will submit like a dog to his master, a slave to the whip, a junkie to his dope. Everybody of you want a piece of the Apple, just admit it

Apple are just securing their excellent software and at the same time playing the game of capitalism brilliantly. Monopoly and survival of the fittest are the rules of the games and Apple are just ahead of everybody as usual, which naturally will cause a lot of angest, envy, despair, paranoia and mass hysteria.

You will adopt and if you don't, you will perish, just like it should be according to the wonderful Darwinistic laws of capitalism as well as evolution in general

I wish you all good luck. May the best of you survive and the rest turn to dust.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:51 am

AdmiralQuality wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:...

I think this is something to do with subliminal messages built into apple software or more likely sour grapes about having only one mouse button.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:18 am

aciddose wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:...

I think this is something to do with subliminal messages built into apple software or more likely sour grapes about having only one mouse button.

Not to mention the unpronounceable symbol key formerly known as Alt.

nix808 · Post by **nix808** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:48 am

IncarnateX wrote:Oh you devs are so sweet. You worry so much. But we all know that in the end you will submit like a dog to his master, a slave to the whip, a junkie to his dope. Everybody of you want a piece of the Apple, just admit it

Apple are just securing their excellent software and at the same time playing the game of capitalism brilliantly. Monopoly and survival of the fittest are the rules of the games and Apple are just ahead of everybody as usual, which naturally will cause a lot of angest, envy, despair, paranoia and mass hysteria.

You will adopt and if you don't, you will perish, just like it should be according to the wonderful Darwinistic laws of capitalism as well as evolution in general

I wish you all good luck. May the best of you survive and the rest turn to dust.

omg- personally I like it when dogs play, not when they think it's actually cool to eat each other
I'm asking for that loopy smiley myself now-
but man- peace! 8D

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:05 am

AdmiralQuality wrote:

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:14 am

The "mute" option at KVR is a WONDERFUL THING.

This Friday, I am going to try out a bunch of different plugins in GarageBand X / Maverick, just to see how many of them install & run correctly, and how many won't run. I would think that iLok would be problematic, but SoundToys just announced Maverick compatibility, so this may not be an issue. In general, I doubt that many plugin developers are hearing bug reports from GarageBand users, as not many people that _buy_ plugins will be using GarageBand as their main DAW.

I've been talking with people that actually make a living mixing music, and they have said that they would drop Logic in a second if the sandboxing restricts them from directly accessing the audio files for their project.

Sean Costello

Anyone making "Sandbox-Safe" Audio Units?