WTF happened to the term "techno"?

[Acid Mitch]

HEEEEEEEEEEELP!

I usually claim that I am into techno as a genre not referring particulary to Detroit techno, which I always has conceived more like a subdivision of "house". However when searching techno on Youtube I end up with videos like this:

Is this really any different from saying you like rock or jazz ?
Like,if I say I like rock would you think I meant, rock'n roll , metal , glam, prog or any of the other rock genres ?

Just type " rock" into youtube and see what I mean. I don't think there are 2 similar things on the first page of results. You get everything from LMFAO to twisted Sister.

[Acid Mitch]

Lol, no matter what I seem to search for I get more irrelevant hits than relevant on youtube.

Just add the secret code:

underground

I'm down with that.

[aciddose]

We had this thread already:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=389788

My post in it:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 19#5461119

I think the way I define techno fits quite well with a very large majority of what most people familiar with the genre would fit into it, without extending it at all.

Both my definition and techno itself are minimal.

[IncarnateX]

Is this really any different from saying you like rock or jazz ? Like,if I say I like rock would you think I meant, rock'n roll , metal , glam, prog or any of the other rock genres ?

Yes but all you mention apply to "rock" to me, which my first posted video did not with respect to "techno". If techno includes the horrors of Euro-cheese, I will never use the term again to describe my musical tastes, at least not without specification.

[Blue-eyed Blonde Ape]

For me Techno always associated with 90's fumy sweaty abandoned factories.
As for sound to me Techno is machinery rigid out of space hypnotizing sequences haha
I wouldn't call music on those videos techno, just generic EDM. Music is mislabelled all the time, one man's techno is another's generic EDM.

[IncarnateX]

Do you have links to what you would call techno , rather than what you wouldn't ?

Eh? Did you read the OP?

I posted one link to what I wouldn't (the first) and three links to what I would. (and to which tetsuneko replied that he wouldn't call any of them techno)


BTW: Are you getting hostile on me now? The tone seems a bit... "confrontational".

I have already admitted my incompetence in this, so there really shouldn't be any issues with potential "experts" around.

[aciddose]

People need to be aware of hierarchy when discussing this subject. This sort of thing was discussed in the thread I linked.

A genre like techno is at a specific position in a evolutionary hierarchy. Depending on how you categorize that position might even change! Examples of "mutants" that fit solidly into genres can exist way out of the time period when the genre "officially" evolved.

Many other genres can fit above, below or to the sides of techno.

The only way you can categorize reliably into genres is with an objective, minimalist definition of the components required to fit the genre. It is bad enough that you are still left with a reliance on the subjectivity of listeners, even armed with an objective definition, to categorize any particular work.

For example: "It's techno, but with a little X, Y and some Z and without the usual W." A perfectly valid categorization although with that number of exceptions it probably fits into an existing sub-genre.

Or you can just continue arguing over your own subjective categorizations to the end of time. Whatever.

[IncarnateX]

That time you mention comes after people started making techno. It started in Chicago where it was house/acid then guys in Detroit heard it, made there own and called it techno.Then people in Europe heard both of them and started making the sound defined as "techno" (a bit harder, faster, more machine like), which the Americans were in turn influenced by.

I am from Europe and have never seen or heard the term "house" used in relation to e.g. Nitzer Ebb and Front 242, while "techno" was widely used where I am from before this particular genre was specified into "Industrial" or "Electronic Body Music"(EBM).

[telogic]

As a techno artist from the early 90's, in the uk techno for me didn't start with the 303. but the word techno was about technology music, music of the future from the mid 80s with bands like kraftwerk ,cybotron and newcleus using the word techno to describe there future music as techno .i came from djing from this time and when i started making music i wasn't looking at just the usa for my style.. techno is still here but now this music has fragmented into other genres.

[Acid Mitch]

If techno includes the horrors of Euro-cheese, I will never use the term again to describe my musical tastes, at least not without specification.

There is indeed a lot of cheesey Euro techno. You can't exclude it just because you don't like it.
If rock can cover everything from James Blunt to Napalm Death, why can't techno have a horrible cheesey side ?

Eh? Did you read the OP?

I posted one link to what I wouldn't (the first) and three links to what I would.
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Sorry, I thought they were all examples of what you thought techno wasn't, as I wouldn't call them techno either.

BTW: Are you getting hostile on me now? The tone seems a bit... "confrontational".
)

No ,why would I be hostile ?

I have a different point of view and am trying to find out more about others, which I guess is a text book case of "confrontational" but I'm not trying to hassle people or anything. I'm just being straight/honest in my view points and hoping others will do the same.

I have already admitted my incompetence in this, so there really shouldn't be any issues with potential "experts" around.

That's the great thing about the internet. There is always someone who knows more than me to keep me right .

[Acid Mitch]

I am from Europe and have never seen or heard the term "house" used in relation to e.g. Nitzer Ebb and Front 242, while "techno" was widely used where I am from before this particular genre was specified into "Industrial" or "Electronic Body Music"(EBM).

Well in Scotland you'd have needed to go to rock or industrial clubs for Nitzer Ebb, etc. I've never heard that style of music called house or techno.

[IncarnateX]

I am from Europe and have never seen or heard the term "house" used in relation to e.g. Nitzer Ebb and Front 242, while "techno" was widely used where I am from before this particular genre was specified into "Industrial" or "Electronic Body Music"(EBM).

Well in Scotland you'd have needed to go to rock or industrial clubs for Nitzer Ebb, etc. I've never heard that style of music called house or techno.

Well at least I am not alone on this:

In the late 80s and beginning of the 90s we would label artists like Nitzer Ebb, Front 242 and Frontline assembly...

Hmm, so I'm still stuck back then with the term. That would be my def.
Interesting...

[IncarnateX]

Sorry, I thought they were all examples of what you thought techno wasn't, as I wouldn't call them techno either.

That is okay with me but what would you call them then? I am open to suggestions, especially now where you have included Euro-cheese to the techno term.

[IncarnateX]

There is indeed a lot of cheesey Euro techno. You can't exclude it just because you don't like it.
If rock can cover everything from James Blunt to Napalm Death, why can't techno have a horrible cheesey side ?

Sorry, I thought they were all examples of what you thought techno wasn't, as I wouldn't call them techno either.

Are you actually saying that I got it all upside down. That the first link posted really was techno and the others were not?

If that is so, what are the qualifiers?

[Acid Mitch]

Sorry, I thought they were all examples of what you thought techno wasn't, as I wouldn't call them techno either.

That is okay with me but what would you call them then? (

One seemed a bit of a mish mash I'd call rave or typical old UK breakbeat stuff , one was DnB (that's drum and bass to all you old folks out there, lol) , one is electronica/pop .

I am open to suggestions, especially now where you have included Euro-cheese to the techno term.

Hey , don't blame me, I can't change history.