2x New Moog Hardware - 'Sub37' and 'Theremini'

[foosnark]

No, it's not semantics. Calling a synth that doesn't have two real voices "duophonic" would be misleading and confusing.

That is still semantics.

And now we're arguing about the semantics of the word "semantics."

[EvilDragon]

Semantiception.

[Kriminal]

so whats the other new moog ?

[damoog]

I hate and love this!!..not so good for the old wallet but A poly moog!??

[Shy]

No, it's not semantics. Calling a synth that doesn't have two real voices "duophonic" would be misleading and confusing.

That is still semantics.

And now we're arguing about the semantics of the word "semantics."

You know what people mean when they say "meh, semantics", they mean to say the issue is not important and that the words themselves are more important to a person than their meaning. By replying "it's not semantics" I meant the issue is important and it's not just a pointless focus on words, and you know that. If you really want to discuss about the accurate and diverse meanings of the word "semantics", that has nothing to do with the actual topic.

[Jim Y]

Not many instruments have been paraphonic in recent times so it seems it's usage is forgotten. Most string machines were paraphonic - you could play as many notes as you liked, but the AR envelope was paraphonic - triggered from first note on and released from last note off. Moog are correct to call theirs Paraphonic. In fact 2 note paraphonic!

[ChiTown24]

so whats the other new moog ?

Possibly a 'Theremini' ?

http://www.trademarkia.com/theremini-86157167.html

[foosnark]

so whats the other new moog ?

Possibly a 'Theremini' ?

http://www.trademarkia.com/theremini-86157167.html

That could be relevant to my interests.

I have a Moog Etherwave, but it's flaky and unreliable -- it's gone completely wonky due to some kind of interference or internal failure. I'd love to have a quality theremin that's not susceptible to every damned thing in a 30 foot radius except for my hands, but optical theremins tend to be junky little toys in my experience.

So in my happy little dream bubble I can pretend Moog has solved this and is going to offer a nice $150 Theremini that won't be another Gakken toy or Roland Douche-Beam.

[david.beholder]

Not many instruments have been paraphonic in recent times so it seems it's usage is forgotten. Most string machines were paraphonic - you could play as many notes as you liked, but the AR envelope was paraphonic - triggered from first note on and released from last note off. Moog are correct to call theirs Paraphonic. In fact 2 note paraphonic!

Well, you're unaware of very recent Waldorf Pulse 2 may be? It's truely paraphonic has 4 or 8 voices build with dividers.
For such devices like moog want to present there's term duaphonic when two oscillators can play to notes independently - approach of ARP 2600. Let's please leave marketing aside.

[vurt]

so whats the other new moog ?

Possibly a 'Theremini' ?

http://www.trademarkia.com/theremini-86157167.html

That could be relevant to my interests.

I have a Moog Etherwave, but it's flaky and unreliable -- it's gone completely wonky due to some kind of interference or internal failure. I'd love to have a quality theremin that's not susceptible to every damned thing in a 30 foot radius except for my hands, but optical theremins tend to be junky little toys in my experience.

So in my happy little dream bubble I can pretend Moog has solved this and is going to offer a nice $150 Theremini that won't be another Gakken toy or Roland Douche-Beam.

my etherwave is fine, but yep, you do need a decent sized space to play it, and if i forget to close the door and the cat wanders in...

[EvilDragon]

It's truely paraphonic has 4 or 8 voices build with dividers.

Actually nope. It doesn't have dividers - it has 8 oscillators total. When paraphonic mode is disabled it's using only 3 of those oscillators for standard fare Minimoog 3 osc layout.

[Ingonator]

It's truely paraphonic has 4 or 8 voices build with dividers.

Actually nope. It doesn't have dividers - it has 8 oscillators total. When paraphonic mode is disabled it's using only 3 of those oscillators for standard fare Minimoog 3 osc layout.

Even if i was a beta tester i am not sure on how it works exactly and Waldorf is also not telling all their secrets. As the paraphonic modes are limited to adjustable Pulse (+ PWM possible) i guess that it is not as simple as using 8 oscillators. Not to forget there are also paraphonic modes with Unison and more than 4 notes polyphony.
The APW modes also add a sub-harmonic based on the PW setting.

What is sure is that the part of the Oscs in the circuits (i had posted a picture) seems to be quite big (wit ha dedicated part for the Noise source).


INgo

[EvilDragon]

I found this on Waldorf "forum":

http://www.waldorf-forum.com/pipermail/ ... 28698.html


Whether true or not, remains to be shown I guess. In any case, Pulse 2 does not employ divide-down circuitry.

[aciddose]

I'm not sure why people think "4 or 8 voices with dividers" since usually you divide one octave (12 semitones) from a rate like 2mhz using an analog divider which outputs oddly shaped pulse waveforms.

Those are used as inputs to d-flipflops as in "sub oscillators" which output squares, usually in 8 or 10 octaves.

So divider systems dependent upon octaves have 12 * octaves of notes, never 4 or 8.

All "paraphonic" synthesizers have a single voicing architecture applied to these tones.

Synthesizers like the PS-3300 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korg_PS-3300 are fully polyphonic, like a piano or organ. There is a complete voicing circuit for every key individually.

A "paraphonic" synthesizer is a mono synth fed from an organ-like division based tone generator.

What this moog is, is something different. They simply apply a different pitch to one of the oscillators which is in my opinion, pointless. Why not have a proper poly synthesizer?

It is this: A monophonic synth with weird-ass pitch control. Not "paraphonic".

[david.beholder]

I found this on Waldorf "forum":

http://www.waldorf-forum.com/pipermail/ ... 28698.html


Whether true or not, remains to be shown I guess. In any case, Pulse 2 does not employ divide-down circuitry.

Doesn't look like credible source of information. The same guy said ton of bluff later on this topic and been corrected couple of times.

Btw it's really easy to figure out if they are dividers or phase independent. I'm just too lazy to get away from bed and go to the other room to turn on pc and waldor and record. It's 2.05 and wife is sleeping.

Will do it tomorrow