Next after UNO-LX

[chk071]

I recently read an interview with Patrick Kunz (TAL) in the Beat mag, and he kind of said that most of what he did, was by user request. So if you have any ideas, i think it's bet to just shoot him a mail or contact him through his website. Maybe it will soon become reality.

[fmr]

There are enough of roland-emu around already. Tons of other cool sounding stuff is not emulated at all.

Care to give some examples? From where I can see, basically everything that could matter to me is already emulated, with the honourable exception of the Oberheim Matrix-12 and possibly the Alesis Andromeda A6.
The MKS-80, OTOH is a very good synth that a lot of people desire, and costs a pile of money in second-hand market (probably becuase it is very sought after). Not many synths play in that league, AFAIK. And Patrick already gave proof of mastering the Roland sound, specially from the time window where the MKS-80 comes from.

[fluffy_little_something]

There are enough of roland-emu around already. Tons of other cool sounding stuff is not emulated at all.

Care to give some examples? From where I can see, basically everything that could matter to me is already emulated, with the honourable exception of the Oberheim Matrix-12 and possibly the Alesis Andromeda A6.
The MKS-80, OTOH is a very good synth that a lot of people desire, and costs a pile of money in second-hand market (probably becuase it is very sought after). Not many synths play in that league, AFAIK. And Patrick already gave proof of mastering the Roland sound, specially from the time window where the MKS-80 comes from.

On ebay the MKS-80 plus programmer costs about 1/3 of a Jupiter 8, which is funny as it is said to be superior to the Jupiter 8 But it looks like nothing compared to the keyboard.
Because of the format a used MKS-80 is also much more likely to work fine.

There even is an MKS-80 emulation, I remember I demoed it months ago, but the sound was not so great

Ha, found it already
http://www.manxsynthesizers.com/Super-Jay.htm

[fmr]

On ebay the MKS-80 plus programmer costs about 1/3 of a Jupiter 8, which is funny as it is said to be superior to the Jupiter 8 But it looks like nothing compared to the keyboard.
Because of the format a used MKS-80 is also much more likely to work fine.

There even is an MKS-80 emulation, I remember I demoed it months ago, but the sound was not so great

Ha, found it already
http://www.manxsynthesizers.com/Super-Jay.htm

The Jupiter is a keyboard, while the MKS-80 is a module. If you add to the MKS-80 the price of a MPG-80, you are around 2.500,00 euros (and still without a keyboard). I know that Jupiters are reaching insane prices nowadays, but we have great emulations of them (yes, plural).

Regarding that "emulation" you mentioned, it's a joke. It doesn't sound like an MKS-80, not even remotely, and using the same paramters, gives completely different results. I have a real one, I know what I'm talking about. That "Super Jay" doesn't fit my notion of emulation, but the U-NO-LX does. That's why I think Patrick may be the man for the job.

[fluffy_little_something]

On ebay the MKS-80 plus programmer costs about 1/3 of a Jupiter 8, which is funny as it is said to be superior to the Jupiter 8 But it looks like nothing compared to the keyboard.
Because of the format a used MKS-80 is also much more likely to work fine.

There even is an MKS-80 emulation, I remember I demoed it months ago, but the sound was not so great

Ha, found it already
http://www.manxsynthesizers.com/Super-Jay.htm

The Jupiter is a keyboard, while the MKS-80 is a module. If you add to the MKS-80 the price of a MPG-80, you are close the price of a Jupiter-8.

Regarding the emulation, it«s joke. It doesn't sound like an MKS-80, not even remotely, and using the same paramters, gives completely different results. I have a real one, I know what I'm talking about.

Well, the MKS-80 plus MPG-80 together are around $3000, a Jupiter 8 is around 9 to 10k

Yes, it is indeed a joke, I deleted that crap after just a few minutes Tried another synth from that site as well, even worse. I wonder if that person really thinks his stuff is good, or if it is simply fraud It's synths like that that give SE a bad name...

[fmr]

Well, the MKS-80 plus MPG-80 together are around $3000, a Jupiter 8 is around 9 to 10k

I just watched a bid that ended a couple of days ago, and the MPG-80 reached almost 1.400,00 euros (1.150 GBP). It's almost 1.900,00 dollars just for the programmer. And the MKS-80 is usually above 1.200,00 euros too, so, it's more like 3.000,00 euros, or 4.000,00 dollars. And I just saw two Jupiters for around 7.000,00 euros (one just a little above 6.000,00). OK, 7.000,00 euros is more than 9.000,00 dollars but it's an insane price. And doesn't change the fact that is just a little more than 2x. Not that it matters - the Juno is way cheaper and the emulation was very well received.

[Uncle E]

On ebay the MKS-80 plus programmer costs about 1/3 of a Jupiter 8, which is funny as it is said to be superior to the Jupiter 8

I have 2 MKS-80's, including an earlier (some say better) version, and would never say they're better or even equal to a Jupiter 8.

Because of the format a used MKS-80 is also much more likely to work fine.

This is true. I was collecting MKS's about 10 years ago (lucky me, they're now all worth 5x what I paid ) and have had very good luck maintenance-wise with all of them.

[fluffy_little_something]

Well, the MKS-80 plus MPG-80 together are around $3000, a Jupiter 8 is around 9 to 10k

I just watched a bid that ended a couple of days ago, and the MPG-80 reached almost 1.400,00 euros (1.150 GBP). And the MKS-80 is usually above 1.200,00 euros too, so, it's more like 3.000,00 euros, not dollars. And I just saw two Jupiters for around 7.000,00 euros (one just a little above 6.000,00. Even at those prices, I think it's insane.

Currently there seem to be 4 Jupiter 8 on offer, three between 8000 and 10000 dollars, and one for 5000 dollars, the guy says he really needs the cash

Seems that the Jupiter 8 is indeed on average 2 to 3 times as expensive as the MKS-80 combo. The Jupiter price is indeed insane, just like with art collectors paying incredible sums for mediocre paintings... I'd rather buy the most modern computer and one excellent synth plugin that I can load as often as I want

[fluffy_little_something]

On ebay the MKS-80 plus programmer costs about 1/3 of a Jupiter 8, which is funny as it is said to be superior to the Jupiter 8

I have 2 MKS-80's, including an earlier (some say better) version, and would never say they're better or even equal to a Jupiter 8.

I don't know, never had either, but I read that the MKS-80 is supposed to be superior. Maybe just an isolated opinion, who knows

[Uncle E]

I don't know, never had either, but I read that the MKS-80 is supposed to be superior. Maybe just an isolated opinion, who knows

Don't get me wrong, it's an extremely cool synth, with a sharp, aggressive sound like a Jupiter 6 or Pro One. There probably isn't anything better for leads, zaps, and tight electro basses. For big, fat Vangelis-like pads, though, a Jupiter 8 is far superior.

[fmr]

I don't know, never had either, but I read that the MKS-80 is supposed to be superior. Maybe just an isolated opinion, who knows

Don't get me wrong, it's an extremely cool synth, with a sharp, aggressive sound like a Jupiter 6 or Pro One. There probably isn't anything better for leads, zaps, and tight electro basses. For big, fat Vangelis-like pads, though, a Jupiter 8 is far superior.

That's probably because the Jupiter-8 has a choice of -12dB filter too, while the MKS-80 has just the -24dB. And the envelopes seem more aggressive too (and they respond to velocity, which the Jupiter-8 doesn't). Anyway, I agree that Jupiter-8 is better for long sustained sounds, while the MKS-80 is more aggressive and punchy. But if an emulation was considered, I think Patrick could address that with a filter variant for -12dB too, and some other tweakings. That's the greatness of emulations - you can add things that are not in the original, and still have it.

[Ingonator]

On ebay the MKS-80 plus programmer costs about 1/3 of a Jupiter 8, which is funny as it is said to be superior to the Jupiter 8 But it looks like nothing compared to the keyboard.
Because of the format a used MKS-80 is also much more likely to work fine.

I have owned a Jupiter 8 and a MKS-80 in the past and IMO the MKS-80 is NOT superior to the Jupiter 8. The only thing really better is maybe having MIDI by default (BTW my Jupiter 8 had MIDI built-in when i got it). I have mentioned it multiple imes but i say it again: Selling my Jupi 8 (which i got for around 2000 €...) was my biggest failure concerning music gear so far.

The only emulations that are close (while not perfect) to the real Jupiter are Arturia Jupiter 8V and the Jupiter 8 (and also Jupi 6) modules in Diva.
Besides that there are nice soundbanks based on the Jupiter factory sounds like those for Xils LAb Oxium and the free one for OP-X Pro II.

I would love to see Patrick doing a Jupiter 8 emulation but to get that synth would cost a lot of money. An option would be that a Jupiter 8 owner lends it to him for the time he needs doing the plugin (AFAIK both Arturia and Urs were using the real thing to to the emulations).

A Matrix 12 (or Xpander) emulation would be cool too of course but to get those should also not be very simple (at least compared to the Juno-60 and SH-101).

The Andromeda could be another choice but prices had increased a lot for those too. Back in 2005 they were sold for around 2000 € or slightly more.


Ingo

[fmr]

The Andromeda could be another choice but prices had increased a lot for those too. Back in 2005 they were sold for around 2000 € or slightly more.
Ingo

Those were the days I wish I had more money to get them then. Now, people got crazy about this stuff, and the prices are jumping through the roof

[Uncle E]

Those were the days I wish I had more money to get them then. Now, people got crazy about this stuff, and the prices are jumping through the roof

The real crazy thing is that you've never needed them less. I can't understand why someone would pay so much for Juno's and SH-101's when excellent virtual emulations are now available. If sound and function were the driving force, prices would be going down, not up.

[david.beholder]

There are enough of roland-emu around already. Tons of other cool sounding stuff is not emulated at all.

Care to give some examples? From where I can see, basically everything that could matter to me is already emulated, with the honourable exception of the Oberheim Matrix-12 and possibly the Alesis Andromeda A6.

yamaha cs, sequential circuits, moog polymoog, arps with arp filter (not emulated correctly anywher), any string machine + synth (like korg triton, moog opus, plenty of italians) etc -- list is endless.

Don't also forget there obxd and u-he diva with AMAZING uhbie and jp filters

BUT! I will buy from tal, if there would be quality synth (and not Andromeda ).