Racks...Senderella or Getout?

[P.T.]

You can drag a vol/pan filter into the rack and put one on each line going into the effect.

You then connect an output directly from the vst to the racks output(putting a vol/pan on it also).

This way you have a dry signal direct to the rack output AND another line going through a vol/pan into the effect.

The effect(set to full wet) then connects to the racks output.

I use this setup on my drum machine giving me multi outs and various sends to reverb etc.

It's messy, but it works.

[christianmusicmaker]

If you use the racks differently and put all the effects in the rack or build the multi-outs inside the rack then there is no latency problem.

I would like to try putting all the effects in a rack. I do not have any real need for multi outs yet anyway.

Are you saying that if I put all effects in a Rack that I will have no latency issues at all with Racks, even if I use them on the same track one after the other?

You can drag a vol/pan filter into the rack and put one on each line going into the effect.

You then connect an output directly from the vst to the racks output(putting a vol/pan on it also).

This way you have a dry signal direct to the rack output AND another line going through a vol/pan into the effect.

The effect(set to full wet) then connects to the racks output.

I use this setup on my drum machine giving me multi outs and various sends to reverb etc.

It's messy, but it works.

To be honest I do not care so much for how messy the solution is if it eliminates this latency problem!

I suppose I could work at 1.5 ms or something but that is putting the cpu through more strain than necessary but is worth a try.I prefer your suggestion with Racks though.

Is the detailed approach (above) that you use, finally a workaround for that eliminates any latency issues with racks?

If so...fantastic.

[chagzuki]

Quite frankly this whole situation is shit. Is Jules working on a fix, or implementing a simple send solution?

[Neil G]

You can drag a vol/pan filter into the rack and put one on each line going into the effect.

You then connect an output directly from the vst to the racks output(putting a vol/pan on it also).

This way you have a dry signal direct to the rack output AND another line going through a vol/pan into the effect.

The effect(set to full wet) then connects to the racks output.

I use this setup on my drum machine giving me multi outs and various sends to reverb etc.

It's messy, but it works.

screenshot please. im having trouble figuring it out

[AD80]

It's messy, but it works.

Thats some good advice PT. Its actually not that messy to me. Its more visual than other ways.

[P.T.]

Neil G;

You can route the output of a Vst directly to the racks outputs AND ALSO route the same Vst output to a filter by just adding another line. This way you can have a wet output (the one that goes to the effect) and a dry output ( the one that you routed directly to the rack output.
If you put a vol/pan filter in line between the Vst and the effect you can control the amount of wet.
You then connect the effect's outputs to the same Rack outputs as the dry signal was routed to.

I use this approach with VSTs that have multi outs.

With a drum machine I route the snare directly out AND also route it through a vol/pan filter into a reverb I have placed in the Rack.
I then do the same with any other drum sound I want to route to that reverb.
I use the vol/pan filters to set the wet amounts for each drum.

[christianmusicmaker]

Neil G;

You can route the output of a Vst directly to the racks outputs AND ALSO route the same Vst output to a filter by just adding another line. This way you can have a wet output (the one that goes to the effect) and a dry output ( the one that you routed directly to the rack output.
If you put a vol/pan filter in line between the Vst and the effect you can control the amount of wet.
You then connect the effect's outputs to the same Rack outputs as the dry signal was routed to.

I use this approach with VSTs that have multi outs.

With a drum machine I route the snare directly out AND also route it through a vol/pan filter into a reverb I have placed in the Rack.
I then do the same with any other drum sound I want to route to that reverb.
I use the vol/pan filters to set the wet amounts for each drum.

All good PT but does this eliminate any and all latency issues for you?

[P.T.]

I havn't used multiple racks on one track.

You will have to do some experimenting on your own to find what works for you.

I do it this way because it solves my problems (at least for now).
I pointed out this possible solution in case it could help some people. Experiment and see if it helps you.

[thoshu]

Quite frankly this whole situation is shit. Is Jules working on a fix, or implementing a simple send solution?

You're so right! Neverminding that whole one-screen-no-mixer-paradigm I just ask myself why such an elemental thing in audio-production has to cause so many different and to my mind not fast'n'easy workarounds?

I'm just wondering what those wet/dry-sliders in the properties-panel are doing when you insert an effect on a track? Maybe I'm missing the whole point, but I always thought that the signal routed thru# an insert-effect is wet only, so the use of send-effects would be the balance between a dry and wet portion of the signal. Hm...

[AD80]

I'm just wondering what those wet/dry-sliders in the properties-panel are doing when you insert an effect on a track? Maybe I'm missing the whole point, but I always thought that the signal routed thru# an insert-effect is wet only, so the use of send-effects would be the balance between a dry and wet portion of the signal. Hm...

I use that feature all the time. When a plug-in doesnt have its own wet/dry knob (which is often), and I dont want it completely processed through the insert.

[thoshu]

So do I, AD80. Well, after I discovered it ( )... and I use it as a kind of send-effect as well, but as I don't need some kind of room-feel on drums etc I was too lazy to compare its efefct on that of a senderalla - did anyone actually?

[thoshu]

double post, sorry. (I do it all the time... that wet/dry-slider-thing)