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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu May 15, 2014 11:40 am

anokah wrote:I would think a hardware controller for diva would be kind of hard to implement, seeing as it´s not a static environment with the different module setups.

Yep, it's possible though. The corresponding parameters in each module are identical.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Tue May 20, 2014 8:11 am

Karten wrote:More features could be added (and probably will) but is it the final answer to analogue emulation?

There's a Dinosaur called the Emulator III, it has analog filters and would be a lovely next step.

nevernamed · Post by **nevernamed** » Tue May 20, 2014 8:39 pm

I think I'd like to see a little bit more from U-he. I have an oberheim matrix 6 and it has this slight hiss to it for example. My Diva isn't noisy at all and I like that soft noise. Not sure what it is. The amp on the oberheim perhaps? I also like the idea of the Prophet 5 and Ensoniq SQ80 as additional modules. I really like the hybrid architecture of the Ensoniq and it sounds so boards of canada. The prophet 5 I'd like to see modelled in it's totality. I think that would give Diva a non-roland sound end to end. I would pay for those two modules if U-he was willing to update. I'm not sure if it is the end of the line however. I think Diva will continue to evolve and improve. More non-linearities will be modelled and introduced over time as the computational resources become more affordable. I really like what the TAL guys have done with their Juno emulation of the chorus. It's a noisy circuit and I like these types of artefacts. That is my only suggestion for the Diva. Keep some of the noise stuff intact. It's pretty remarkable in all other ways. Thanks.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Tue May 20, 2014 8:43 pm

nevernamed wrote:I think I'd like to see a little bit more from U-he. I have an oberheim matrix 6 and it has this slight hiss to it for example. My Diva isn't noisy at all and I like that soft noise. Not sure what it is. The amp on the oberheim perhaps? I also like the idea of the Prophet 5 and Ensoniq SQ80 as additional modules. I really like the hybrid architecture of the Ensoniq and it sounds so boards of canada. The prophet 5 I'd like to see modelled in it's totality. I think that would give Diva a non-roland sound end to end. I would pay for those two modules if U-he was willing to update. I'm not sure if it is the end of the line however. I think Diva will continue to evolve and improve. More non-linearities will be modelled and introduced over time as the computational resources become more affordable. I really like what the TAL guys have done with their Juno emulation of the chorus. It's a noisy circuit and I like these types of artefacts. That is my only suggestion for the Diva. Keep some of the noise stuff intact. It's pretty remarkable in all other ways. Thanks.

I think U-he should add a knob called analog that adds harmonic distortion and noise to the signal. DCAM synthsquad has this on their synthesizers and I think it's a very nice addition when you want to add that analog hum.

nevernamed · Post by **nevernamed** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:51 pm

V0RT3X wrote:
I think U-he should add a knob called analog that adds harmonic distortion and noise to the signal. DCAM synthsquad has this on their synthesizers and I think it's a very nice addition when you want to add that analog hum.

Agreed.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed May 21, 2014 6:30 am

Not sure… any noise we'd add would be kind of fake.

It's one of those things that we found not-so-desirable to model.

There used to be noise sources in the vintage age that were more prominent: Tape noise, cables, cheap consoles. It makes more sense IMHO to add those than to add noise into the synth itself.

We did consider scratchy knobs as a means of copy protection though

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed May 21, 2014 6:32 am

Urs wrote:
anokah wrote:I would think a hardware controller for diva would be kind of hard to implement, seeing as it´s not a static environment with the different module setups.
Yep, it's possible though. The corresponding parameters in each module are identical.

Yep - my Kore template for Diva makes use of that - cuts down the number of user pages needed

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Wed May 21, 2014 8:51 am

Urs wrote:
We did consider scratchy knobs as a means of copy protection though

stardustmedia · Post by **stardustmedia** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:47 am

Urs wrote:
anokah wrote:I would think a hardware controller for diva would be kind of hard to implement, seeing as it´s not a static environment with the different module setups.
Yep, it's possible though. The corresponding parameters in each module are identical.

In the e.g. filter section you could have a little LCD showing the name of the current model and a knob or buttons to switch between the different modules. And like the KIWI controller only used knobs will lit up, unused stay unlit.

To the topic: Hard to tell how much an analog emulation can still improve. Of course analog synths still sound different. But even they differ in sound if hooked up to different gear. To me the question is more of new ideas than of improvement.

knowix · Post by **knowix** » Wed May 21, 2014 6:59 pm

nevernamed wrote:Ialso like the idea of the Prophet 5 and Ensoniq SQ80 as additional modules.

I was just thinking that the SQ80 might be an excellent source of further digital oscillations, if something like the Prophet VS couldn't be done. Plus the innards of its oscillator chip has been examined extensively by Rainer Buchty.

A more outrageous choice would be an emulation of the SID chip. Would at least be interesting to hear what harsh SID sounds would be like when tamed by analog filters.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Wed May 21, 2014 8:12 pm

SID chips have analogue filters, no?

aaron aardvark · Post by **aaron aardvark** » Thu May 22, 2014 4:39 am

I don't miss any noise personally. On older real hardware synths, I don't like it. I guess turning up the noise knob is not what they're looking for.

knowix · Post by **knowix** » Thu May 22, 2014 6:12 am

hakey wrote:SID chips have analogue filters, no?

I did not know that actually. But they're not exactly Moog filters either way

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu May 22, 2014 9:00 am

I would really like to see a proper replictaion of the TB-303 filter in Diva. So far all emulations that got a more or less proper implementation of that filter are more or less based on the architecture of the real thing. As a filter module in Diva (in combination with other existing modules) it would be a lot more versatile i guess.

I also agree that a Prophet 5 filter would be nice.

Ingo

stardustmedia · Post by **stardustmedia** » Thu May 22, 2014 9:16 am

Ingonator wrote:I would really like to see a proper replictaion of the TB-303 filter in Diva. So far all emulations that got a more or less proper implementation of that filter are more or less based on the architecture of the real thing. As a filter module in Diva (in combination with other existing modules) it would be a lot more versatile i guess.

I also agree that a Prophet 5 filter would be nice.

Ingo

Great idea!

Not sure at the moment if it's already there, but a SEM filter would be nice too

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