Is KVR a white music board?

[Kevin Deas]

I think there's a mis-understanding the question was framed wrong. I get the feeling that the OP meant genre not race. Soul, R&B, Funk, Hip Hop, are not necessarily made by black people. Black and white are misnomers.

[Numanoid]

I like KVR because of the cultural diversity. Technically I'm white but I'm part Cherokee Indian.

It is off-topic, but it makes me wonder what modern Native Indian music sounds like if there is anything like that in the first place

That's something I could study more and reflect in my music! Great idea! I'd been reading some of their old myths. Maybe some of that too. This gets me motivated

Koan put out a very nice album earlier this year, with a native american theme
https://soundcloud.com/koantunes/koan-t ... one-teaser

I especially like the Dreamers of Black Hills mix

[aciddose]

No, racial groups do not have their own music.

Music is a purely cultural phenomenon.

Ethnicity is a combination of race, culture and other aspects.

If you are Caucasian or African or Asian or insert any other race, your musical identity depends entirely upon the culture you are exposed to. Your ethnicity only factors into it due to the fact ethnicity includes culture as a component. It is misleading to use the term "ethnic" here however when you refer to only one component of its meaning.

It is very difficult to define a "black culture" for the same reason. The culture itself is not dependent upon race!

Although, if you wanted to specify "black cultural genres, as in nearly every modern genre" that would be fine. Although I can't see how it would be useful.

[highkoo]

I know some people consider it non-pc

Its not just non-pc, its non-sense, and racist.

There, someone said it.

[Kevin Deas]

Check out Blessed Blend for modern Native-American influenced music.

[fluffy_little_something]

I think there's a mis-understanding the question was framed wrong. I get the feeling that the OP meant genre not race. Soul, R&B, Funk, Hip Hop, are not necessarily made by black people. Black and white are misnomers.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. I know the term "black music" from the times I grew up and it included the very genres you listed, plus Fusion, Jazz maybe.

I am definitely not referring to the skin color of the people making the music (even though of course there is a strong correlation despite the exceptions). I would not consider Opera black music just because there is a black opera singer.

[Numanoid]

Steve Roach is also very good at sharing the feeling of the vast south-western part of US through in music

Listen to this track, and imagine horses running free forever towards the vast horizon

[fluffy_little_something]

I know some people consider it non-pc

Its not just non-pc, its non-sense, and racist.

There, someone said it.

You said it, but I think you are wrong...

[aciddose]

Almost all the electronic music genres common on KVR are heavily influenced by "black culture" from the 70s and 80s.

Rock genres also, although those are more from the 40s and 50s and evolving from r&b, jazz and so on from the 00s through the 30s.

I don't think you can easily define any of these genres as "black culture" however as this has always been a component of American culture. This as well has always been tied up with various source European cultures.

It might make it easier to assign ownership of a particular set of genres to a particular group at a particular time, but this is always a naive and ignorant way to look at things.

[fluffy_little_something]

No, racial groups do not have their own music.

Music is a purely cultural phenomenon.

Ethnicity is a combination of race, culture and other aspects.

If you are Caucasian or African or Asian or insert any other race, your musical identity depends entirely upon the culture you are exposed to. Your ethnicity only factors into it due to the fact ethnicity includes culture as a component. It is misleading to use the term "ethnic" here however when you refer to only one component of its meaning.

It is very difficult to define a "black culture" for the same reason. The culture itself is not dependent upon race!

Although, if you wanted to specify "black cultural genres, as in nearly every modern genre" that would be fine. Although I can't see how it would be useful.

To me Black Music means basically the music made by mostly black people in the US and GB. I don't even consider sub-Saharan music as Black Music.

[Numanoid]

Its not just non-pc, its non-sense, and racist.

There, someone said it.

Well, I believe that is wrong.

Just must be allowed to debate it, without being tagged as such

[fluffy_little_something]

Almost all the electronic music genres common on KVR are heavily influenced by "black culture" from the 70s and 80s.

Rock genres also, although those are more from the 40s and 50s and evolving from r&b, jazz and so on from the 00s through the 30s.

I don't think you can easily define any of these genres as "black culture" however as this has always been a component of American culture. This as well has always been tied up with various source European cultures.

It might make it easier to assign ownership of a particular set of genres to a particular group at a particular time, but this is always a naive and ignorant way to look at things.

Yes, when analyzing influences, it gets fuzzy. But despite for instance the influence of black music on rock music, I do not consider modern rock music as black music, let alone variants such as hard rock, heavy metal etc. That is typical white music in my view.

[arkmabat]

No, racial groups do not have their own music.

Music is a purely cultural phenomenon.

Ethnicity is a combination of race, culture and other aspects.

If you are Caucasian or African or Asian or insert any other race, your musical identity depends entirely upon the culture you are exposed to. Your ethnicity only factors into it due to the fact ethnicity includes culture as a component. It is misleading to use the term "ethnic" here however when you refer to only one component of its meaning.

It is very difficult to define a "black culture" for the same reason. The culture itself is not dependent upon race!

Although, if you wanted to specify "black cultural genres, as in nearly every modern genre" that would be fine. Although I can't see how it would be useful.

Eminem raps, Huey Lewis sounds a bit like a soul singer...

[arkmabat]

Steve Roach is also very good at sharing the feeling of the vast south-western part of US through in music

Listen to this track, and imagine horses running free forever towards the vast horizon

Very cool links Numanoid!

[fluffy_little_something]

No, racial groups do not have their own music.

Music is a purely cultural phenomenon.

Ethnicity is a combination of race, culture and other aspects.

If you are Caucasian or African or Asian or insert any other race, your musical identity depends entirely upon the culture you are exposed to. Your ethnicity only factors into it due to the fact ethnicity includes culture as a component. It is misleading to use the term "ethnic" here however when you refer to only one component of its meaning.

It is very difficult to define a "black culture" for the same reason. The culture itself is not dependent upon race!

Although, if you wanted to specify "black cultural genres, as in nearly every modern genre" that would be fine. Although I can't see how it would be useful.

Eminem raps, Huey Lewis sounds a bit like a soul singer...

Decades ago there was the term blue-eyed soul, I suppose that is not pc anymore, either
Or listen to Bobby Caldwell's What you won't do for love on YT. On almost any video to that song there are comments below saying things like, wtf, that guy is white?! I thought he was black. It's still a great song, though
I guess people would not say things like that if there were not a certain expectation and classification in people's minds...