Is KVR a white music board?

[aciddose]

I don't think rock music ever changed. What changes is how we define it.

For example "trance music". Music that is supposed to put you in a trance - cut to 15 years later - while being blasted in both ears with super-saws that sound like an air raid siren.

That sounds really mellow.

[highkoo]

It may not necessarily imply prejudice, but its racial stereotyping.
The term obviously comes from that point of view, and imo still references those ideas with its modern use.

In the US, the word 'fag' has had an interesting journey.
Its common use now often does not have anything to do with sexuality.
So for some people, that word has softened, because its not being used in the same way about the same thing.

This is different, imo, because regardless of the claim that 'black music' is now its own term, it still means 'music made by and for black people', and the line between 'white' music and 'black' music is still drawn with racial considerations.

your musical identity depends entirely upon the culture you are exposed to

And it is limitless.
Given more exposure, art appreciation is almost infinite.

[Sampleconstruct]

Black country&western singers? No problem:

[Numanoid]

Ray Charles mixed C&W with R&B with great success in the early 60's

[Numanoid]

This mix of country and funk is just unbelievably good

[fluffy_little_something]

It may not necessarily imply prejudice, but its racial stereotyping.
The term obviously comes from that point of view, and imo still references those ideas with its modern use.

In the US, the word 'fag' has had an interesting journey.
Its common use now often does not have anything to do with sexuality.
So for some people, that word has softened, because its not being used in the same way about the same thing.

This is different, imo, because regardless of the claim that 'black music' is now its own term, it still means 'music made by and for black people', and the line between 'white' music and 'black' music is still drawn with racial considerations.

your musical identity depends entirely upon the culture you are exposed to

And it is limitless.
Given more exposure, art appreciation is almost infinite.

Well, isn't that still the case, though, despite exceptions (like myself)? Made by black people for black people? I don't think R&B artists in the studio care about what might appeal to white or Asian people. They do their thing, as part of the African-American cultural identity (which again is not without exceptions of course, but still).

[RunBeerRun]

I think KVR is populated by whoever is bored enough to look around hoping something unique was released. There's not a whole lot of honest attempts in any genre these days, personally I have no preference over any race, who does? Are you more interested in a boring stereotype of your own race? Why?

[whyterabbyt]

There are 13 thousand hits for 'hiphop' or 'hip hop' at KVR, compared to 20 thousand hits for 'trance'. There are 7500 hits for 'funk' compared to 5000 for 'punk.' There are 17,000 hits for 'jazz' compared to 30,0000 for 'pop'. There are 7000 hits for 'soul' and only 5000 for 'dubstep'. There are 2000 hits for 'reggae' versus 3000 for 'garage'.

On that basis, Im really not that convinced that the OPs theory that this board is so completely dominated by genres one could arbitrarily dichotomise as 'white music' as they claim. There would appear to be a fairly significant part of KVR foccussed on 'black music'.

[highkoo]

It may not necessarily imply prejudice, but its racial stereotyping.
The term obviously comes from that point of view, and imo still references those ideas with its modern use.

In the US, the word 'fag' has had an interesting journey.
Its common use now often does not have anything to do with sexuality.
So for some people, that word has softened, because its not being used in the same way about the same thing.

This is different, imo, because regardless of the claim that 'black music' is now its own term, it still means 'music made by and for black people', and the line between 'white' music and 'black' music is still drawn with racial considerations.

your musical identity depends entirely upon the culture you are exposed to

And it is limitless.
Given more exposure, art appreciation is almost infinite.

Well, isn't that still the case, though, despite exceptions (like myself)? Made by black people for black people? I don't think R&B artists in the studio care about what might appeal to white or Asian people. They do their thing, as part of the African-American cultural identity (which again is not without exceptions of course, but still).

No offense, really; But the things you say come from a very strange pov, imo.
Not everyone defines their existence or their art or their interface with others in terms of race.
Again no offense, but I get the impression that you have not been around lot of racial diversity.
I would agree that sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason, but in 2014 it is not hard to find people of all types that break the old molds...

[fluffy_little_something]

It may not necessarily imply prejudice, but its racial stereotyping.
The term obviously comes from that point of view, and imo still references those ideas with its modern use.

In the US, the word 'fag' has had an interesting journey.
Its common use now often does not have anything to do with sexuality.
So for some people, that word has softened, because its not being used in the same way about the same thing.

This is different, imo, because regardless of the claim that 'black music' is now its own term, it still means 'music made by and for black people', and the line between 'white' music and 'black' music is still drawn with racial considerations.

your musical identity depends entirely upon the culture you are exposed to

And it is limitless.
Given more exposure, art appreciation is almost infinite.

Well, isn't that still the case, though, despite exceptions (like myself)? Made by black people for black people? I don't think R&B artists in the studio care about what might appeal to white or Asian people. They do their thing, as part of the African-American cultural identity (which again is not without exceptions of course, but still).

No offense, really; But the things you say come from a very strange pov, imo.
Not everyone defines their existence or their art or their interface with others in terms of race.
Again no offense, but I get the impression that you have not been around lot of racial diversity.
I would agree that sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason, but in 2014 it is not hard to find people of all types that break the old molds...

As I said, I am not the one making this a matter of race. It is a matter of music, though. It doesn't matter whether we call it black music, or urban contemporary (which I take it is the current pc term for it). I don't care what color the people are who make black music.

Racial diversity, well. Frankly, I don't care about Chinese or Japanese music, unless they make the music I like. There are a couple of Japanese musicians who make Brazilian music, which I also like a lot, but which is also rare on KVR.

[Josmoker]

It's a bit off-topic, but just an anecdotal note on PC/racism/ethnic stereotyping that struck me as interesting:
in a discussion on ethnic diversity at the company I work for, it was mentioned that one colleague is Mexican. A colleague from the US then mentioned that in the US it wouldn't be PC to refer to someone as a Mexican and the term "Latino" should rather be used. While I am aware of the connotation that is sometimes implied in the US when the term "Mexican" is used, it struck me as quite weird that it is not considered PC to call a Mexican a Mexican in the same way that one would call a German a German or myself an Austrian.
To me calling a Mexican a Latino just to avoid the perceived connotation of "Mexican" does not lessen the ethnic stereotyping that this is based on. It even emphasizes it somehow, as in a way it suggests that being Mexican is something that one could/should be ashamed of.
In any of these discussions I think PC can really backfire.

[whyterabbyt]

As I said, I am not the one making this a matter of race. It is a matter of music, though. It doesn't matter whether we call it black music, or urban contemporary (which I take it is the current pc term for it). I don't care what color the people are who make black music.

Actually, you kinda did make it a matter of race, right in the OP.

Do black people have their own boards, like an R&B board?

[fluffy_little_something]

There are 13 thousand hits for 'hiphop' or 'hip hop' at KVR, compared to 20 thousand hits for 'trance'. There are 7500 hits for 'funk' compared to 5000 for 'punk.' There are 17,000 hits for 'jazz' compared to 30,0000 for 'pop'. There are 7000 hits for 'soul' and only 5000 for 'dubstep'. There are 2000 hits for 'reggae' versus 3000 for 'garage'.

On that basis, Im really not that convinced that the OPs theory that this board is so completely dominated by genres one could arbitrarily dichotomise as 'white music' as they claim. There would appear to be a fairly significant part of KVR foccussed on 'black music'.

I did not say anywhere that this board was "so completely dominated by" white music. But as someone else said it is predominantly white, yes, that is my impression (which does not correspond to your search hits at all). There is nothing wrong with that, still I am looking for something that is a bit more on my wavelength musically speaking.

I assume one reason might be that the OSC for instance is purely instrumental, but with black music the singing is important. So people automatically drift into that Jarre reloaded synth stuff, deliberately or not...

[fluffy_little_something]

As I said, I am not the one making this a matter of race. It is a matter of music, though. It doesn't matter whether we call it black music, or urban contemporary (which I take it is the current pc term for it). I don't care what color the people are who make black music.

Actually, you kinda did make it a matter of race, right in the OP.

Do black people have their own boards, like an R&B board?

No, I have repeatedly said that while of course there is a strong correlation between black music and black people, there are also exceptions, like myself, simply because I grew up listening to that kind of music.
Conversely I don't mind black people singing opera and what not, no problem.

[highkoo]

I really dont get it.
Does the 'black' in 'black music' refer to black people?
It is not just a 'strong correlation', its a inspiration for the term, and likely the cause of the creation of the term.
Why would the term even exist if not to specifically create a segregation point based on race?

Anyway, @the topic as intended;
I think what you experience on KVR re: lesser activity around 'black music', is a tendency for uncultured, under -educated, lesser focused urban youths to be somewhat intimidated by the erudite euro "synthesists" and "composers" that are active here. Thus, they lurk.
Just kidding. Thats insane.
Go check out FutureProducers. Tons of 'urban youths' over there.