u-he

woodsdenis · Post by **woodsdenis** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:53 pm

Erkenfresh wrote:I came to U-He looking for a good phaser. I own over half the catalog now. Urs, why are you forcing me to spend all my money with such great software? Life used to be so simple before I met your products. Now, I have an unquenchable thirst to own it all, like a zombie wanting to eat more brains. Thanks a lot.

I know the feeling

xalama qo · Post by **xalama qo** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:23 am

Hi Urs,
Congrats again on another bar-raising plugin! I hope this sells really well for you guys.
I have to be a nit-picker, and it's about the GUI. That bypass button on the wooden end-piece just seems so out of place and unlikely. Wouldn't it make more sense to use the u-he logo as a bypass button? Just make the letters glow red when bypassed. A scheme like that could possibly become a standardized feature across all your effects and processor plugins.

Just a suggestion, I hope you'll consider it

Cheers,
Paul

aaron aardvark · Post by **aaron aardvark** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:46 am

Things like this are subjective, but I'm fine where the bypass button is. It is easily visible.

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:25 am

Don't like it too, but at least I wish it was on the right wooden side.

Paulnz · Post by **Paulnz** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:45 pm

Are there likely to be any more tools/features added to the Presswerk toolbox in the near future?

Or is the beta version feature set more or less fixed for the foreseeable future?

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:32 am

OK, time for fun

: https://app.box.com/s/e483xe26e1qzld6dd0op

The link contains some init and "mojo" patches as well of some experiments, besides the emulation patches.
You'll find workflow info within each patch, hope you'll enjoy!

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:20 am

e@rs wrote:Don't like it too, but at least I wish it was on the right wooden side.

If the MIX area doesn't get moved to accommodate with the usual compression workflow (that is after tweaking the threshold and ratio, go to mix to compensate level then go to bypass to A/B and so on... )

I strongly agree that the bypass button should be moved on the right side (the idea is that it should be close to the mix level control. )

aaron aardvark · Post by **aaron aardvark** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:41 am

I have only owned one stand alone compressor/limiter, and it did not have a bypass switch, so maybe I'm not the most qualified to comment on this. Could a person argue this (?): if your DAW is to your left (I am just assuming most people would operate this way), and your Presswerk is to the right, the bypass button "keeps" the audio from "entering" the compressor? This seems to be a logical signal flow in my mind.

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:36 am

A logical signal flow for the bypass is either on the left or right, take a look at the Presswerk manual, page 4.

A logical "workflow" is something else...

yackov · Post by **yackov** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:36 am

Hey, I love a lot of things about this plug in, but I have a few notes too. Maybe these are mentioned in this thread already, but I don't want to read the whole thing!

1. The manual suggests that if we want to use presswerk in parallel, we should do so within the plug in instead of with busses/auxes in the DAW. I way prefer using auxes, and don't like to be cornered into working in a way I don't like! So, why shouldn't we use auxes? Cos of the ANGL (phase rotation) button? If we avoid the ANGL button, are we likely to experience other problems?

2. The HQ button added 4x upsampling at 44.1/48k...can't we get a 2x upsampling mode as well, which is the best of both worlds (quality/cpu usage) I think.

3. Working in mid side mode, I find it difficult to remember which channel I'm working on, or that Im not working on both channels. The Vari-mu mode obviously makes this easier with its interface, but in normal mode, it's sometimes frustrating.

Ok, those are my only 'negative' comments. I really like this plug in, and will probably buy it

vicnest · Post by **vicnest** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:40 am

3ee wrote:OK, time for fun : https://app.box.com/s/e483xe26e1qzld6dd0op

The link contains some init and "mojo" patches as well of some experiments, besides the emulation patches.
You'll find workflow info within each patch, hope you'll enjoy!

Thank you for these nice presets.
I wasn't sure what this compressor could do until tried your presets for quick flipping between useful settings.

nevernamed · Post by **nevernamed** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:34 pm

Hey Urs and u-he. I'm wondering what's technically feasible in terms of accuracy in modelling today. The Fairchild looking compressor you've got there has 20 valves 14 transformers for example. How many variables is that and how much CPU power would you need to model every aspect of it in detail? Honestly can a general purpose CPU like the Intel i5/i7 realistically tackle something like this or would you maybe need something like a FPGA array? I'm a big fan of modelling but I have a bunch of analogue gear too. How far can you take the modelling on generic processor platforms? Would it be advantageous to deliver U-he products on a FPGA ASIC type platform instead? I have every u-he synth you've put out and Satin. I'm just waiting on my coupon from the customer survey you guys did before I jump on Presswerk. So many compressor software models out there already and every vendor claims theirs is the most accurate. Got me thinking I guess about how realistic most of these claims are and what's possible and what the constraints are. If the problem is merely CPU and more would help then throw more CPU at it. If it's modelling methodology then more CPU might not help necessarily. Thanks for putting out great stuff. I'm looking forward to more.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:38 pm

I think DIVA shows full well what can be done on generic processor platforms... there's really no need for special hardware DSP solutions, IMHO.

nevernamed · Post by **nevernamed** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:01 pm

Yeah sure but look at the CPU utilisation. One can infer a relationship between accuracy and more CPU given the Diva case maybe.

sascha · Post by **sascha** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:02 pm

nevernamed wrote:Got me thinking I guess about how realistic most of these claims are and what's possible and what the constraints are.

In the case of Presswerk, we are the wrong recipients. Presswerk doesn't do any modeling. The 3 'hardware-like' UIs are just a reskinned set of parameters available in the full UI.
[We are aware that we've caused some irritations with these looks and will most probably rework things before release.]

On the Fairchild in special: I can't speak of any of the software emulation vendors, but I once read a paper on modeling the 670 using the concept of wave digital filters, which I found interesting. It is quite different to using traditional circuit modeling through Kirchhoff laws, as it takes use of the traveling-wave concept (just like with waveguides which I admire in some way), able to model a device through discrete building blocks (which is not possible in normal circuit analysis). The trick is to describe the input & output of a block as an impedance/port resistance. The method has some limitations such as frequency warping due to the z-transform and thus isn't very precise towards Nyquist right away, but the 'Lego' approach is quite appealing for larger projects.
I don't know how close the model really gets, but if anyone's interested: http://dafx12.york.ac.uk/papers/dafx12_submission_9.pdf

u-he

KVR Audio

Presswerk Public Beta