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Looking forward to what you're thinking about it! :)
I will try to tighten it up, if I can, but I'm usually too entertained by the wickedness one can achieve with certain concepts, if parameters are not restricted.
My original desire remains to somehow get a really satisfying reverb mux going, but I'm afraid that it might need deeper access than presently available. I thought about recreating freeverb in a modular form, hahaha, but somehow that seems ambitious.
To me this is about placing sounds in space, creating a strong staging that sounds solid. One of the easiest ways to achieve that, though, may be via sound convolution and impulse response samples. I looked into how this could be programmed and it seems fairly trivial, actually, in itself. I'm just amazed that it can be as fast as it is, looking at the potential amount of data it has to buffer and go through, depending on your impulse response sample.
I'm sure it's already on the wishlist, though! :lol: :roll:

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You are like a kid in a sweet shop :) (thats a good thing)
I am fascinated by what you are coming up with, I am nowhere near the level you are at, Im a casual hobbyist with not enough time to play with Mulab as much as I'd like, but thats life.
Keep em coming :tu:
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Ugliness, however, goes right the way through

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Taron wrote:I thought about recreating freeverb in a modular form, hahaha, but somehow that seems ambitious.
I find this reverb really nice and there's some "Dattorro's figure-of-eight" concept behind it, so yeah, maybe can spark some imagination/creativity towards that :)

http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?pl ... erb&id=913
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Ahaha, thank you, Zexila! I have a number of amazing vst reverbs, Valhalla being my favorite thus far, but I really appreciate it!
My motives with MUX here have virtually nothing to do with what I "need", neither with instruments nor effects, but rather with what I'm curious or even excited about.
The more I play with MUX for instruments, the more I appreciate what can be achieve with them. My "harmute" sound, for example, slowly becomes one of my favorite sounds ever, actually. And I know that MUX still has great room to grow and every little thing Jo develops opens up new dimensions for what can be created with it!

I'm a little wacky that way, but I love the challenge of making MuLab work perfectly all by itself. It has fantastic potential, while some of it still lingers in the future, but a good deal of it is not only there already, but remains unexplored....especially by me, I'm afraid...and that's what I'm trying to change first! :D

Somewhere in the "reinvention of the wheel" is the secret to revelations that you'll never find rolling around in existing vehicles, you know. Thus I love to go deep, see where it may branch off into new territory. MUX opens the gates to the audio-underworld, hahaha, and I'm enjoying the trip down there, so to say. Esoterically speaking, though, it's rather the "higher realms", where things are formed that are meant to come together...so....maybe that sounds less sinister!? :lol:

As I begin to see what power Jo provides, I want to help by showcasing it and by supporting it as well as I can where I recognize some additional potential. Part of it includes stumbling over flaws and some of them are...hm...understandable, but ultimately solvable, once he's been given the chance to address them. That includes enough success to allow him to focus on all of this properly. He has already given me enough reason to make me want to support his success by applying my passion to the use of his creation. The more people feel that way, the more this enterprise will reveal its true powers as a stand-out DAW, hopefully maintaining its humility, but breaking new ground in the digital music world. If not, well...I'd be bummed out, but still happily using this awesome tool! I can't believe how great it can already sound all by itself! :hyper:

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Yep you said it all right there, for me even as it stands now its more than I'll ever need.
Beauty is only skin deep,
Ugliness, however, goes right the way through

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O M G ! :o :cry: :hyper: :party: :love:
I just thought, now that I mentioned it, I give it a really fair try to translate freeverb into MUX form....and here it is! :pray:

It works almost shockingly perfect! :borg:
(woops, almost had wet reversed... :oops: )

Alright, it's kind of perfect now, I think! :wheee:

FREEVERB v1.2 the MUX version
Originally created by Jezar at Dreampoint in June 2000, I've translated it quite faithfully into a MUX.

I think, it may have even more potential, but this is kind of the original without any extra stuff. To me it sounds absolutely beautiful, though! :hug:

For version 1.1 I've added a number of extra controls and features that go beyond the original freeverb! :!: 8)

version 1.2 has predelay for Left and Right.
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Taron wrote:Ahaha, thank you, Zexila! I have a number of amazing vst reverbs, Valhalla being my favorite thus far, but I really appreciate it!
Of course, I taught in lines of concept/idea/approach more, that maybe there's something in that approach you would find maybe inspiring and interesting, there's whole paper on it and outcoem of it sounds actually really good, so yeah, I guess you get where I'm going with this :wink:
My motives with MUX here have virtually nothing to do with what I "need", neither with instruments nor effects, but rather with what I'm curious or even excited about.
Yeah, I'm new to modular, MuX and whole DIY thing in general, couldn't make velocity-volume work, even if there's thread where few people expanding on it, explaining with picture nonetheless,
my limited brain can't take that much info and it's all just blurry :scared:
The more I play with MUX for instruments, the more I appreciate what can be achieve with them.
Yeah, I can sense that there's some awesome possibilities and once you get hang on it, it blows your mind and opens up new realms. :borg:
My "harmute" sound, for example, slowly becomes one of my favorite sounds ever, actually. And I know that MUX still has great room to grow and every little thing Jo develops opens up new dimensions for what can be created with it!
Adventure of exploration that leads to not just satisfactory results, but also evolution of MuX :wink:

I'm a little wacky that way, but I love the challenge of making MuLab work perfectly all by itself. It has fantastic potential, while some of it still lingers in the future, but a good deal of it is not only there already, but remains unexplored....especially by me, I'm afraid...and that's what I'm trying to change first! :D
Guess great amount of it lies in modular, but in my case, what I did explored is what I know for my limited taste, guess until I can make myself comfortable, I couldn't move on further, than appreciate what's actually there.

It's obvious I'm usual boring linear guy :lol:
Somewhere in the "reinvention of the wheel" is the secret to revelations that you'll never find rolling around in existing vehicles, you know. Thus I love to go deep, see where it may branch off into new territory. MUX opens the gates to the audio-underworld, hahaha, and I'm enjoying the trip down there, so to say. Esoterically speaking, though, it's rather the "higher realms", where things are formed that are meant to come together...so....maybe that sounds less sinister!? :lol:
Yeah, it let's you get deep and creative, give you freedom to explore and get curios, even with stuff you already established, because you know there's more ways and by just cruising in your mind creatively, you start getting your ideas into reality and great thing about this is Jo meets you half way and things really get interesting.
As I begin to see what power Jo provides, I want to help by showcasing it and by supporting it as well as I can where I recognize some additional potential. Part of it includes stumbling over flaws and some of them are...hm...understandable, but ultimately solvable, once he's been given the chance to address them. That includes enough success to allow him to focus on all of this properly. He has already given me enough reason to make me want to support his success by applying my passion to the use of his creation. The more people feel that way, the more this enterprise will reveal its true powers as a stand-out DAW, hopefully maintaining its humility, but breaking new ground in the digital music world. If not, well...I'd be bummed out, but still happily using this awesome tool! I can't believe how great it can already sound all by itself! :hyper:
Yeah, get your point completely :tu:
Taron wrote:O M G ! :o :cry: :hyper: :party: :love:
I just thought, now that I mentioned it, I give it a really fair try to translate freeverb into MUX form....and here it is! :pray:

It works almost shockingly perfect! :borg:
(woops, almost had wet reversed... :oops: )

Alright, it's kind of perfect now, I think! :wheee:

FREEVERB v1.1 the MUX version
Originally created by Jezar at Dreampoint in June 2000, I've translated it quite faithfully into a MUX.

I think, it may have even more potential, but this is kind of the original without any extra stuff. To me it sounds absolutely beautiful, though! :hug:

For version 1.1 I've added a number of extra controls and features that go beyond the original freeverb! :!: 8)
Awesome, thanks for this, gonna dive in it as soon as I get chance :hyper:
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Uh, I'm probably not gonna make this sound a lot easier for you, when I tell you that I'm a programmer myself, which makes a modular system literally appear like a "toy" to me, playfully trying out thing I normally would have to code myself, haha. At the same time this can become a little frustrating, when I know too exactly what I want, but have to adjust to what's available.
But that points right at what I've already said about having to explore all that is available. There's still a bunch of stuff left I haven't investigated, yet.

Anyway, I think that Jo often puts things together into one module to make things easier on both the user and himself, of course. The more open you have to leave the architecture of such a system, the more trouble you're inviting. However, for a beginner this actually can be twice as puzzling, because some of the basic things don't have their own module, other aspects show up in several modules, like Velocity, for example. You have it inside the oscillator modules, ADSR envelopes and multi-point envelopes, for example. There's also a velocity out you can get from the Note to Modulation Converter. So...it can get overwhelming, unless you have at least some confidence you could handle all this.

Best thing is to find simple examples, start from super-scratch, so to say. I may have a go at doing a nice youtube tutorial on it with narration. Somehow it can be far more comforting to hear a tutor rather than just watching things happening in a video! ;)

Anyway, I'm having great fun right now!!! :hyper:

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Taron wrote:Uh, I'm probably not gonna make this sound a lot easier for you, when I tell you that I'm a programmer myself, which makes a modular system literally appear like a "toy" to me, playfully trying out thing I normally would have to code myself, haha. At the same time this can become a little frustrating, when I know too exactly what I want, but have to adjust to what's available.
But that points right at what I've already said about having to explore all that is available. There's still a bunch of stuff left I haven't investigated, yet.
Blessing and curse in the same time I guess :scared:
So...it can get overwhelming, unless you have at least some confidence you could handle all this.
Or time, will power and enough shifting to technical side of things in the middle of creative one, messing around is good when you have nothing and than something happens, but when you have idea, messing around too much distracts you from your course, of course, we all work differently and expect different things down the line, but yeah, it's quite overwhelming. :neutral:
Best thing is to find simple examples, start from super-scratch, so to say.
Yeah definitely :tu:
I may have a go at doing a nice youtube tutorial on it with narration. Somehow it can be far more comforting to hear a tutor rather than just watching things happening in a video! ;)
Please do, that would be awesome :hug:
Anyway, I'm having great fun right now!!! :hyper:
Glad to hear that, enjoy :hyper:
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I've just updated the freeverb to version 1.2. Check above!
Eventually I put everything into the first post, I promise! :)

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Taron wrote:I've just updated the freeverb to version 1.2. Check above!
Eventually I put everything into the first post, I promise! :)
Wow, Taron, respect!

I also saw your painting skills on youtube...welcome to the club. :love:

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THANKS! :oops:
Yeah, I'm really happy to be back here, that's for sure! I really had a hunch that somehow music would suck me in again, the moment I'd allow it to happen. So...here we go, and I'm really thrilled about playing with MuLab's internal goods again. In fact, I can't remember the last time I was as excited and proud as I'm right now with that freaking reverb, haha, it's so surprising, really. :hyper:

Yet, it's actually piling on top of my excitement about the multi-form oscillator and all the things I'm experimenting around with right now. Next on my list is a kind of body resonance I'd like to achieve. Goofing around with creating wavetables is all fun and games, but I'd be even more thrilled to get the kind of complexity and depth with totally independent waveforms.

For now, though... just YAY! :party:

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Taron wrote:I really had a hunch that somehow music would suck me in again, the moment I'd allow it to happen.
There is no escape! :wink:

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tight room v2.0

I've reworked the tight room effect to be a little more sophisticated, yet, it still offers the same kind of tight placements of the previous version. Much more control now enables you not only to place sounds more precisely, but opens up the possibilities for really wicked effects at a much nicer quality! :phones:
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Here's my first resonator experiment...kind of giving a body to any instrument. This first attempt I shall call: Spinettar

I tried to do some decent moderation as you alter feedback, but you may still tumble into potential extremes... but it has already some exciting potential, I feel. 8)

At this point, though, this is truly just experimental! :borg:
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