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IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:01 pm

aciddose wrote:That's only because you've never used them before.

Sure, because no one can resist the magical shimmering of real analog synths. A scientific fact.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:20 am

No. What is a fact is that it is likely if you invested the time and effort to own and maintain one of these, you'd also appreciate its unique properties very much. The money you could get would unlikely compensate you for the value of the object and so you'd be unlikely to sell without being forced to.

This explains why the price of such synthesizers remains very, very high. <-- this is a fact, although not "scientific" perhaps we can easily demonstrate that the cost of the components contained within one of these taking into the account the usual loss in value for old electronics makes them currently, as used items, extremely overpriced.

You would never own one because you're not interested. <-- this is also quite likely to be true from my point of view. I suspect you've never owned and never been interested in owning such a synthesizer. You want software.

This whole thread is a massive troll or in the least thoughtless and completely pointless.

No, you're not a hero. You simply realized you weren't interested in owning something and so you sold it.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:49 am

What a pile of nonsense. if you actually had read the thread including the OP you would know how wrong you are on basically all points. My selling has nothing to do with lack of time and effort (nor lack of appreciation)

and I am not heading for software, which I have stated a couple of times. Anyway, I think poll option 4 is for you. You just place your vote. (And do not call us, we will call you)

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:58 am

Don't go changing, to try to please us. We love you just the way-y you are.

In other news you sold what I would keep and kept what I would have sold.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:16 am

Just do not forget to count in the "shield maiden" factor here

Under less restricted conditions I would have kept both alpha Juno and Mopho. The ex800 and Juno 106 would have been gone though.

arkmabat · Post by **arkmabat** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:17 am

samsam wrote:Don't go changing, to try to please us. We love you just the way-y you are.

Amen KVR brother.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:30 am

samsam wrote:Don't go changing, to try to please us.

Couldn't even if I would

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:39 am

IncarnateX wrote:My selling has nothing to do with lack of time and effort ...

Okay. I have very carefully read all the posts in this thread.

Can you say the same for yourself? No.

My point was regarding your lack of ever having purchased or having wished to purchase, use and maintain those synthesizers from the "most analog" group I outlined.

This is all about my original point; none of the synthesizers you sold are very "analog" to begin with.

You sold some of your digital or computerized (presets, polyphony, etc) synthesizers and kept some of your even more digital synthesizers.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:46 am

Well, then at least I must conclude that IF I had owned some of those wonders from your list and had sold them I would be insane but since my synths were not true analogs, I am not. Fine. Thank you for your time and this amazing insight.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:58 am

No, you must conclude only the following:

You've never owned one of the synthesizers which might be considered "most analog"
You've never been motivated to own or use one
If you did own one, you'd likely have sold it (You just said so yourself)
The ones you did own are reasonably well covered by existing software, especially taking into account that the few "analog" properties of these were not of particular interest to you

This thread appears to be due to the "analog = awesome" trend which died out several years ago. Thanks to the easy availability of new monophonic subtractive synthesizers, some with completely analog signal path (oscillator to output) there is no longer any possibility for a retarded mythos to exist due to people never having been exposed first-hand to an example of the subject of the myths.

If you'd sold them you wouldn't be insane as you clearly have very limited if any interest in them. I'd question however why you would have purchased them and if your reasoning was that you wanted to use them only then would I conclude you were insane. It may have been temporary, especially if you immediately switched course and dumped them after realizing you had no desire to use them.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:07 am

Well, you almost sound like "most analog" synths are cute little poppies that should be loved and taken special care of. That is very sweet.

Beyond that your conclusions are very...very...hypothetical and as such a little...eh..boring, but If you are happy now, I am all joy myself.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:13 am

The "most analog" sort of synthesizers are unique things and much like art (which they are) they are entirely subjective.

My offense is to the whole "analog = best" trend and your reaction to it.

This is no different than saying "literature = best"... which? Is it a particular book you most enjoy? What objective criterion have you used to quality it as best?

You should find in such a case that there are no objective criterion, only subjective.

So I'm merely pointing out the fact that what you call "analog" are objectively some of the least analog synthesizers. I'm not commenting on whether they are subjectively good or bad, because I believe such statements are breathtakingly stupid, much like I feel about the concept or trend "analog = best".

Likewise my feelings regarding your response to it. "Sold my `analog` synths; insane or freedom fighter?"

This is no more intelligent than saying you've sold your paintings, insane or freedom fighter?

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:13 am

Oh BTW in the 80s I owned a Roland JP4. Is this on the list of "most analogs"?

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:19 am

No. The JP4 is slightly "more analog", although it should be considered like the SH-1000 to be a sort of preset machine designed to accompany organs and other preset sound sources.

As far as timbre, if we were talking about timbre elements rather than generalizing about the complete synthesizer the signal path of the JP4 is entirely analog. Yet at the same time the timbre is not particularly unique or special, the JP4 is I'd say one of the most boring of the analogs.

Ultimately when we're looking at the various synthesizers we're examining the characteristics of what they are built from. Two synthesizers with roughly the same internals (say, similar to the juno 106 and poly-800) have minor feature differences like 6 vs. 8 voices, different parameters and arrangements of circuits and slight variations of digital modulation, OTA filters and DCO oscillators.

Really the difference between a juno 106 and poly-800 is not so night and day as the difference between a synthacon, minimoog and a ms-10.

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:21 am

Serious question (stemming from Kriminal's first reply in the thread)

A synth having presets means it's not considered properly analogue? What's that all about?

Is my Pulse2 analogue or not?

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