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electro · Post by **electro** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:25 pm

monkeymanx wrote:I really want to like AT4 but just feel that they could have done so much more to make it a better stand alone all in one power house package.

IK scored with the CAB section, but messed up by leaving external VST FX out of the loop section, a big disappointment.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:17 pm

electro wrote:
monkeymanx wrote:I really want to like AT4 but just feel that they could have done so much more to make it a better stand alone all in one power house package.
IK scored with the CAB section, but messed up by leaving external VST FX out of the loop section, a big disappointment.

I wouldn't necessarily want external plugins hosted in AT4. DAWs have hard enough time keeping plugins stable, I don't want the plugins themselves to have to deal with that too, unless it's something like Patchwork.

That said, not hosting TRacks gear in the racks is just an obvious missed opportunity to create some needed synergy between these two product lines. Make AT4 stomps and racks available in the TRacks shell, and TRacks effects available as inserts and rack effects in AT4.

clintmartin · Post by **clintmartin** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:38 pm

I really wish they would add ARC 2 integration like T-Racks has. It would be nice to pull up the Amplitube standalone and just play for awhile. I have to play within my daw to use ARC 2. Minor thing, but seems like a no brainer.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:53 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:That said, not hosting TRacks gear in the racks is just an obvious missed opportunity

Especially for the Tape Echo. Initially, when that came out, I thought that its arrival indicated that TRacks would get more 'creative' plugins, but nope, it just turned out to be the wierdest platform-targetting decision ever. All creative effects except Tape Echo go in ATube, T-Racks is mixing effects plus Tape Echo. Huh?

monkeymanx · Post by **monkeymanx** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:27 pm

It's really odd... It is like you have to go on faith with making an Amplitube 4 purchase since nothing can be demoed. I'm not understanding how that is a good decision. Did people sit around in a meeting trying to figure out something stupid to do for a new release that would turn people away? I don't want to put up the cash for something I may not like and I'm fairly confident others are with me on this.

Dewdman42 · Post by **Dewdman42** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:30 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:That said, not hosting TRacks gear in the racks is just an obvious missed opportunity
Especially for the Tape Echo. Initially, when that came out, I thought that its arrival indicated that TRacks would get more 'creative' plugins, but nope, it just turned out to be the wierdest platform-targetting decision ever. All creative effects except Tape Echo go in ATube, T-Racks is mixing effects plus Tape Echo. Huh?

Yep, agreed. I bought the T-Racks echoplex model. Wish I could use it in AT4, but nope. its sandboxed in T-racks or as a standalone plugin effect. I think they may have added some tape delay thing to AT4 to purchase if I want to pay again, which I don't.

Dewdman42 · Post by **Dewdman42** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:44 pm

electro wrote:
monkeymanx wrote:I really want to like AT4 but just feel that they could have done so much more to make it a better stand alone all in one power house package.
IK scored with the CAB section, but messed up by leaving external VST FX out of the loop section, a big disappointment.

I personally would love this feature added to ATx, but it will never happen because then they won't be able to sell as many new amp models, cab models and so forth, which seems to be a big part of their strategy. If they had an external VST effect loop, people would tend to use their own cab sims and what not. that is how it SHOULD be...to be a truly useful tool. That is not how it will be though. I doubt ever. So if you want to use external stuff, you just have to chain it together outside of AT4, it can still be done. It just ends up being more complicated and consuming more CPU then it should have to.

I upgraded to AT4 last night because I simply do not have time to look into it any further and I didn't want to miss the discount period. I can't comment about the new amp and cab models until I have a guitar to try them all out, to see whether it was worth the $69 I ended up paying after using the max amount of Jam points I could use. I do like that I can mix and match speakers in the cabs, sounds interesting, might lead to something good and I might like the new models. But otherwise...I already had a lot of good models and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot new in the software, its not really worth $99 to upgrade in my opinion unless you really like the new amp models and would find yourself buying them anyway..which might be the case, I don't know until I try them, but that's the main value, you're just getting a bunch of new amp models and a few nice little features with the cabinet tweaking. Also the ability to insert FX between amp and cab, but that is rarely useful, so I don't see the point of that frankly.

I think it should be possible to use the free version of AT4 and demo the various new amp and cab models..and if you think they are worth $99 to get them all in a bundle then by all means do the upgrade, then you will get the cab tweaking feature. If you don't like or need the new amp and cab models, then its kind of over priced for what the new features are, the cab tweaking, etc.

Myself, in retrospect since last night..maybe it was not the best purchase. I have AT4, recabinet, S-gear, Jamvox, not to mention Logic Pro's included guitar stuff, DP's included guitar stuff, a splattering of great free stuff from LePou and Ignite, and I like them all, none of them are perfect. I like to use them in combination. The cab tweaking capability of AT4 is pretty cool, I'm glad to see they put that in there. Its probably not worth the $69 I paid to upgrade just to get that.

Perhaps I will love the new amp and cab models and find more value in the upgrade after I try them out, we'll see. I had already previously purchased a number of amp and cab models, more than I need already...so frankly...it was probably not the best purchase, but we'll see.

I would much rather have seen a more affordable upgrade path to AT4 that did not include any new models...but gave me the new editing features. Instead we are compelled to add new amps and cabs we may never use at a higher price in order to get the small feature upgrade. But it is what it is...in the grand scheme of things I felt it was worth $69 to just get it and stop complaining about it. I spent more on dinner last night, it was a nice dinner though.

spacekid · Post by **spacekid** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:57 pm

monkeymanx wrote:It's really odd... It is like you have to go on faith with making an Amplitube 4 purchase since nothing can be demoed. I'm not understanding how that is a good decision. Did people sit around in a meeting trying to figure out something stupid to do for a new release that would turn people away? I don't want to put up the cash for something I may not like and I'm fairly confident others are with me on this.

You get to demo the new rooms, just do the restore my gear and they're listed in the old pull down. I don't know, I hear a difference. I do wish I could switch speakers as a trial.

monkeymanx · Post by **monkeymanx** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:21 pm

Ok ok ok... I broke down and bought it in a moment of weakness. So the new cab sim is cool. All the speakers, cabs, and microphones are there from the packs I have previously bought. One thing would be nice would be link feature between the 2 microphone positions that way when you move one it actually moves both and avoids all that phase noise going on before you can reposition the 2nd microphone. Over all pretty good though. Ultra tuner is much better than the normal tuner as well.

J4R1O · Post by **J4R1O** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:28 pm

I have received 20 Jam Points (Bonus Points) on 10-09-2015 but for some weird reason I can only redeem 11 (€) if I purchase AmpliTube 4. So AT4 would cost me 110 euros.

I have raised a support ticket but I'm afraid that there will be no introductory price available anymore when this case is solved...

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:39 pm

Dear IK,

I'm not disappointed at all. The new cab features have pushed Amplitube right to the forefront of guitar amp sim VST plugins in my opinion - it sounds *significantly* better. My Axe FX slightly edges it, but AT4 is no slouch.

And it's well worth the money. I miss the days when people were not so entitled, and were actually willing to pay for people's efforts in the software realm. *sigh*

What I'd like to see (and would be happy to pay for) are more high-gain amplifiers; VHT/Fryette, Diezel, the 5150III, Bogner Ecstasy and Uberschall, ENGL Powerball and Savage, and many more I'm forgetting.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:42 pm

Hey, has anyone used the iRig Pro Duo with Amplitube? Can you get zero latency monitoring with the Amplitube plugin, or is that just with the dry signal?

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigproduo/

dwozzle · Post by **dwozzle** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:57 pm

Amberience wrote:What I'd like to see (and would be happy to pay for) are more high-gain amplifiers; VHT/Fryette, Diezel, the 5150III, Bogner Ecstasy and Uberschall, ENGL Powerball and Savage, and many more I'm forgetting.

Hmmm, you know they have the E650 and Powerball, yes? Plus Dual and Triple Rectifier, Soldano SLO-100 (which I personally don't like, but anyway), and JCA100H... I'm not a super high gain guy in general, but seem to me like there's some stuff you'd like if you are.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:01 pm

dwozzle wrote:
Amberience wrote:What I'd like to see (and would be happy to pay for) are more high-gain amplifiers; VHT/Fryette, Diezel, the 5150III, Bogner Ecstasy and Uberschall, ENGL Powerball and Savage, and many more I'm forgetting.
Hmmm, you know they have the E650 and Powerball, yes? Plus Dual and Triple Rectifier, Soldano SLO-100 (which I personally don't like, but anyway), and JCA100H... I'm not a super high gain guy in general, but seem to me like there's some stuff you'd like if you are.

Yep, got all those. Dunno why I said Powerball... stupid brain.

The Mesa stuff isn't quite tight enough for my tastes, even with a TS in front.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:08 pm

dwozzle wrote:
Amberience wrote:What I'd like to see (and would be happy to pay for) are more high-gain amplifiers; VHT/Fryette, Diezel, the 5150III, Bogner Ecstasy and Uberschall, ENGL Powerball and Savage, and many more I'm forgetting.
Hmmm, you know they have the E650 and Powerball, yes? Plus Dual and Triple Rectifier, Soldano SLO-100 (which I personally don't like, but anyway), and JCA100H... I'm not a super high gain guy in general, but seem to me like there's some stuff you'd like if you are.

With all the recent high gain and crunch releases, I think it's time IK revisit Fender, and Vox amps. Some new bass amps or an update to Ampeg are long overdue.

I'd be happy to pay for these updates, just could care less for even more high gain amps with 4x12 cabs, we've seen plenty lately.

Amplitube 4 is here!!!!! ......well almost.....