Sort of did that with the free Live 9.5 update that introduced a lot of new features, to keep Live users happy and not jumping shipOgopogo wrote:I'm guessing that they will want to go big to answer Bitwig.
Wow, almost seems like you are more interested in pushing Bitwig features, rather than predict Live 10 release dateOgopogo wrote:But it didn't really touch Bitwig's flagship features that make it such an interesting alternative to Live. Stuff like layered midi editing, track midi editing, easy modulation system, plug in crash protection, more view flexibility, arrange view tweaks, clip launcher in the arrange. The stuff that makes Bitwig look fuller/more balanced/advanced as opposed to Live being a one trick pony dedicated to the whole session view thing.
Well I own and use Bitwig, fwiw. By pushing Bitwig features you mean I'm trying to sell Bitwig to the OP? No, I just think that Bitwig implemented some very good ideas and seem to have made themselves into serious competitors to Ableton, and I can't imagine that that wouldn't factor in to Ableton's plans. They were the only daw of that type before, now they are not. Those were pretty much all requests for Live, pretty natural areas for Live to expand to, Bitwig just beat them to it. So now they can either implement some of that stuff or sit around and let Bitwig grow. A lot of people think of Live as a one trick pony, something that you might mess around and start ideas in but might not be great for finishing stuff or working on more normal, linear projects in. Those features help Bitwig avoid that. If Bitwig kept going as it is and ableton stayed the same, then I'd say yes, Bitwig would be the choice of a new generation, but thats what Ableton wants to avoid.Numanoid wrote:Wow, almost seems like you are more interested in pushing Bitwig features, rather than predict Live 10 release dateOgopogo wrote:But it didn't really touch Bitwig's flagship features that make it such an interesting alternative to Live. Stuff like layered midi editing, track midi editing, easy modulation system, plug in crash protection, more view flexibility, arrange view tweaks, clip launcher in the arrange. The stuff that makes Bitwig look fuller/more balanced/advanced as opposed to Live being a one trick pony dedicated to the whole session view thing.
So is Bitwig like Pepsi to Live/Cola or visa versa, the choice of a new generation?
I think that is an interesting bet. I also could predict a sale during that period of time.Numanoid wrote:Wikipedia has a really good overview of release dates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ableton_Live
It would be a good event for Ableton to release Live 10 on October 30th this year, as that is the 15th birthday of Live
There's also the potential for traditional, linear DAWs encroaching in on this territory. I posted this today on another site:Ogopogo wrote:Well I own and use Bitwig, fwiw. By pushing Bitwig features you mean I'm trying to sell Bitwig to the OP? No, I just think that Bitwig implemented some very good ideas and seem to have made themselves into serious competitors to Ableton, and I can't imagine that that wouldn't factor in to Ableton's plans. They were the only daw of that type before, now they are not. Those were pretty much all requests for Live, pretty natural areas for Live to expand to, Bitwig just beat them to it. So now they can either implement some of that stuff or sit around and let Bitwig grow. A lot of people think of Live as a one trick pony, something that you might mess around and start ideas in but might not be great for finishing stuff or working on more normal, linear projects in. Those features help Bitwig avoid that. If Bitwig kept going as it is and ableton stayed the same, then I'd say yes, Bitwig would be the choice of a new generation, but thats what Ableton wants to avoid.Numanoid wrote:Wow, almost seems like you are more interested in pushing Bitwig features, rather than predict Live 10 release dateOgopogo wrote:But it didn't really touch Bitwig's flagship features that make it such an interesting alternative to Live. Stuff like layered midi editing, track midi editing, easy modulation system, plug in crash protection, more view flexibility, arrange view tweaks, clip launcher in the arrange. The stuff that makes Bitwig look fuller/more balanced/advanced as opposed to Live being a one trick pony dedicated to the whole session view thing.
So is Bitwig like Pepsi to Live/Cola or visa versa, the choice of a new generation?
I can totally see them doing this.Numanoid wrote:Wikipedia has a really good overview of release dates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ableton_Live
It would be a good event for Ableton to release Live 10 on October 30th this year, as that is the 15th birthday of Live
Thanks, I appreciate the lead. I visit that forum in my search as well, although not as frequently as this one. Unfortunately, the problem that i have seen there (and everywhere to some extent) is that many of the sellers (including the 3-4 that have it up for offer now) have absolutely not history in the forum. Most of them have 1-2 posts and joined either the same day or very recently. Since I would have to pay them first, I need a little something to help prove they are legit, because my understanding is that even if i use the non-gift option in Paypal, i could still get screwed. For instance, if i send the money and they never transfer the license, wouldn't I just lose that money with no recourse? If I am wrong about this please let me know. That's why I kicked myself when i missed the offer here for 300 Euro from a reputable member with a lot of forum posts.Mister Natural wrote:couple of used Suite Licenses available here :
https://forum.ableton.com/viewforum.php ... 8846c767d8
peace
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