KVR Audio

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:37 pm

Does anyone really care about install size? Especially when it's under a gig? I couldn't care less about it.

SciFiArtMan · Post by **SciFiArtMan** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:30 pm

Haha yourself, you freaky weirdo! I was enjoying the fact that the size of the installer for the newest Reaper is 10mb, and the size of the minimum Sonar installer is 5gb. That's mildly amusing to me! It was a minor point in reply to the first post of this thread, but you seem obsessed over size...

And for the record, the total finished size of my Reaper installation is 109mb, which compared with Sonar - makes a fun point, to me. (why am I even bothering with this ridiculous trolling!)

And this is why I try to avoid KVR all together these days!

If anyone knows anything about converting Sonar track files to Reaper, I'd love to hear - otherwise, I'm out!

Back to making art and music...

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:55 pm

SciFiArtMan wrote:If anyone knows anything about converting Sonar track files to Reaper, I'd love to hear - otherwise, I'm out!

Look at what formats REAPER can import, look at what formats Sonar can export.
2nd option may be that project converter software i forgot the name of.

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:36 pm

Maybe this?

http://www.aatranslator.com.au

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:43 pm

SciFiArtMan wrote:Haha yourself, you freaky weirdo! I was enjoying the fact that the size of the installer for the newest Reaper is 10mb, and the size of the minimum Sonar installer is 5gb. That's mildly amusing to me!

And for the record, the total finished size of my Reaper installation is 109mb, which compared with Sonar - makes a fun point, to me. (why am I even bothering with this ridiculous trolling!)

Sonar comes with a whole lot of content though, unlike Reaper. Apart from that it was said more than once that Reaper also doesn't come with the graphical props other hosts come with. And, of course, it is well programmed last but not least. But if it had everything Sonar has, or comes with, it would be equally sized for sure.

SciFiArtMan · Post by **SciFiArtMan** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:05 pm

Thanks for the ideas and link, guys! I'll check that AA Translator out!

All the best!

Runaway · Post by **Runaway** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:12 am

Unfortunately, AAT doesn't read native Sonar session files and the only export option is OMF. Add to that Sonar flaunt the OMF specification and allow stereo media to be referenced. To make matters worse you would need the $199 version of AAT to read what amounts to a pretty poor Sonar OMF implementation.

FWIW I would love to take your money but the reality is that in this instance you would be better off just rendering each track to a wav and save the bucks.

SciFiArtMan · Post by **SciFiArtMan** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:23 am

Thank you for your insight, Runaway! Looks like I'll just have to work with Sonar on these older files, which is what I was expecting to do. And I don't hate Sonar, but I need to use Reaper on my laptop (for the install size reasons mentioned earlier), and it would just be nice to move everything over to the same DAW, as the two systems are different enough to be a pain.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:01 am

SciFiArtMan wrote:In response to the original post...

Yes, my current install of Reaper 5.17 comes in at around 10mb! And my formerly beloved Sonar says it has a minimum install of 5gb. One of these things is not like the other! And I know Sonar comes with all sorts of goodies included, but so does Reaper. And I don't often use many of those extras anyway. Pretty cool!

The core code of most DAW's will be about the same - it's the loop libraries and sample based instruments that bump up the size. Reaper doesn't come with any 'goodies' - just coded plugins. It's a complete non argument and I've never understood the fascination with the size of apps anyway. Seems to be just one more reason to yap on forums and not make music.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:08 pm

One area Reaper definitely isn't amazing is with instruments that have sequencers. It's rare that syncing actually works with almost any drum machine or arp sequencer etc. I end up having to bounce things to audio to get them to line up properly.

Groundhog #31684 · Post by **Groundhog #31684** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:04 pm

Could you give an example of one that doesn't sync in Reaper but sync's in other hosts please? Preferably free so I can test it.

Jim Roseberry · Post by **Jim Roseberry** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:09 pm

do_androids_dream wrote:One area Reaper definitely isn't amazing is with instruments that have sequencers. It's rare that syncing actually works with almost any drum machine or arp sequencer etc. I end up having to bounce things to audio to get them to line up properly.

I'm guessing this is due to Reaper's "Anticipative FX Processing" (read ahead cache).
Disable that... and I'll bet things are back in sync.

lilyyy · Post by **lilyyy** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:25 pm

memyselfandus wrote:Does anyone really care about install size? Especially when it's under a gig? I couldn't care less about it.

Obviously the people who mention it care. Otherwise they wouldn't mention it. ;3

do_androids_dream wrote: The core code of most DAW's will be about the same - it's the loop libraries and sample based instruments that bump up the size.

I just installed Ableton Live 9 Intro to find out exactly how big it is. Full installation is 1.34gb. If you don't count the "Resources" folder, which includes non-necessary files such as the loops and samples as well as necessary files like the GUI, then you're left with 134mb. I also deleted the documents folder (user manual in different languages). So we can assume it's actual core is still almost twice as big as Reaper's complete install (66.7mb on my disk).

After removing the unnecessary files the final size is 469mb. Ableton doesn't rescan it's core library after so it keeps references to the samples in it's browser but plays nothing back. I might be able to lower the size even further but I'm not sure at what point it would break completely and I'm positive that it wouldn't lower another 100mb looking at the negligible sizes of the folders that I think I can remove.

You're wrong, but even if you weren't, it's not exactly a choice to include that content during install. In the case of Ableton, you also have to go through the process of unhiding folders just to get to it's files to remove sample content post-installation.

People have different needs. Yours is the non-argument, since it's woefully incorrect, but whether the size matters to you or not is a different story. To each their own.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:26 pm

do_androids_dream wrote:
SciFiArtMan wrote:In response to the original post...

Yes, my current install of Reaper 5.17 comes in at around 10mb! And my formerly beloved Sonar says it has a minimum install of 5gb. One of these things is not like the other! And I know Sonar comes with all sorts of goodies included, but so does Reaper. And I don't often use many of those extras anyway. Pretty cool!
The core code of most DAW's will be about the same - it's the loop libraries and sample based instruments that bump up the size. Reaper doesn't come with any 'goodies' - just coded plugins. It's a complete non argument and I've never understood the fascination with the size of apps anyway. Seems to be just one more reason to yap on forums and not make music.

Totally agree.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:36 pm

As primarily a cubase user I can understand the enjoyment of a small stand alone "DAW" install. I wish to hell that Cubase would install all by itself and let you choose how much of the additional content you would like to install separately.

Trying to update/upgrade Cubase can be a PITA simply to download a trivial installer because of the size alone.

REAPER is amazing.