Which is obviously wrong. Nothing better than a bit of DAW snobbery i guess. Of course, Jordan Rudess wouldn't be able to write songs with 200 time signature changes in it, but i don't think that should be the measuring stick.pc2000 wrote:I've seen quite a few comments about it being a toy here at KVR in many debates over the years. This was particularly the case when it was called... Fruity Loops. As for other DAW's... most don't really ship with demo projects like FL Studio does. Never seen EDM projects included in Sonar, Cubase or Reaper. I have FL Studio producer, so I don't see it as such, but that's the impression some people have.chk071 wrote:Which DAW doesn't advertise with mainly EDM content?pc2000 wrote:I'm sure this is meant as a joke, but, image-line has put themselves in a box since they only have EDM music demos in the program. They refuse to include various musical genres for some reason. Perhaps this is the reason some see it as a toy?chk071 wrote:Guys... let's be honest. FL Studio can ONLY be used for EDM. It's commonly known that that is so. The linked article proves it. Although i did not read it at all.
Not that claiming something is a toy because EDM is produced with it isn't equally ridiculous.
Trouble ahead for FL Studio? EDM proclaimed dead (or at least unwell...
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- KVRAF
- 35689 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
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- KVRAF
- 4589 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
The issue with Fruity Loops are, well, loops. It is based on loops and encourages to work with loops, which leads to mechanical 4/4 productions. Everything else must be enforced artificially.
Of course you don't need to have weird tempo variations in every dance track, but organic off-the-grid percussion can add some subtlety to 4/4 bagners.
Of course you don't need to have weird tempo variations in every dance track, but organic off-the-grid percussion can add some subtlety to 4/4 bagners.
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
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- KVRAF
- 8083 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
I have happily made 5/8, 6/8, 7/8, 9/8, 11/8, and 13/8 tracks in FL, and several "gridless" ambient tracks as well. And tempo can easily be automated.DJ Warmonger wrote:The issue with Fruity Loops are, well, loops. It is based on loops and encourages to work with loops, which leads to mechanical 4/4 productions. Everything else must be enforced mechanically.
Of course you don't need to have weird tempo variations in every dance track, but organic off-the-grid percussion can add some subtlety to 4/4 bagners.
It lends itself to certain types of music because it was designed to make that music easy, but it's really not hard to break out of the suggested template.
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Constructed Identity Constructed Identity https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=288890 - KVRian
- 1347 posts since 29 Sep, 2012 from Minnesota
This is more than 10 years late - typical media, so behind the times...
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- KVRAF
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
The real issue is that certain people don't have the slighest clue about FL Studio but like to blather about on public boards .DJ Warmonger wrote:The issue with Fruity Loops are, well, loops. It is based on loops and encourages to work with loops, which leads to mechanical 4/4 productions. Everything else must be enforced artificially.
Of course you don't need to have weird tempo variations in every dance track, but organic off-the-grid percussion can add some subtlety to 4/4 bagners.
Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours.
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- KVRist
- 417 posts since 24 Nov, 2012
working with loops? 4/4 only? come on...
you can create any music genre in FL Studio, be it 3/4 or 6/8 and of course any piece of music is made of phrases... there is absolutely no limitation... some basic music theory will help you see that... oh boy
you can create any music genre in FL Studio, be it 3/4 or 6/8 and of course any piece of music is made of phrases... there is absolutely no limitation... some basic music theory will help you see that... oh boy
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- KVRist
- 53 posts since 15 May, 2013
That's pretty ignorant, when was the last time You actually checked out FL?DJ Warmonger wrote:The issue with Fruity Loops are, well, loops. It is based on loops and encourages to work with loops, which leads to mechanical 4/4 productions. Everything else must be enforced artificially.
Of course you don't need to have weird tempo variations in every dance track, but organic off-the-grid percussion can add some subtlety to 4/4 bagners.
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- KVRist
- 131 posts since 21 Jul, 2012
Fl Studio has long winded ways of accomplishing simple jobs that are done much easier with most other traditional DAWs. On the flip side it allows for getting ideas down pretty quickly. There's yin and yang with every DAW.
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- KVRAF
- 8083 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
DING DING DING correct.xcentric wrote:Fl Studio has long winded ways of accomplishing simple jobs that are done much easier with most other traditional DAWs. On the flip side it allows for getting ideas down pretty quickly. There's yin and yang with every DAW.
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- KVRAF
- 37507 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
So why isn't Gol involved any more?
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- KVRAF
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
I can't agree, i found many things are much easier done in FL. Examples please!foosnark wrote:DING DING DING correct.xcentric wrote:Fl Studio has long winded ways of accomplishing simple jobs that are done much easier with most other traditional DAWs. On the flip side it allows for getting ideas down pretty quickly. There's yin and yang with every DAW.
Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours.
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- KVRAF
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
Taking a break.aMUSEd wrote:So why isn't Gol involved any more?
Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours.
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- KVRAF
- 3511 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
I find the whole 'EDM' thing really bizarre tbh. Dance music has always been around in countless forms and it will always be around in countless forms.
The 'EDM' sound is a razor thin slice of the dance music scene, despite the arrogance of the all-encompassing genre name (I honestly thought nothing would ever top IDM there). For every EDM gig with a thousand people staring at the light show on stage as though they're at a f**king stadium rock concert, there are hundreds of thousands of people at proper clubs across the world raving it up to... well... countless forms of dance music.
FWIW, pretty much everyone I know is using either Live or FL. I was briefly involved with a small record label in London that put out whatever dance music sounds caught our ears - 5 of the 6 artists we pressed to vinyl used FL, and all were making stuff that sounded nothing like the other - from limiter bothering noisy hip-hop sludge to ravey grime music, and all the wonderful, countless forms of dance music inbetween.
The 'EDM' sound is a razor thin slice of the dance music scene, despite the arrogance of the all-encompassing genre name (I honestly thought nothing would ever top IDM there). For every EDM gig with a thousand people staring at the light show on stage as though they're at a f**king stadium rock concert, there are hundreds of thousands of people at proper clubs across the world raving it up to... well... countless forms of dance music.
FWIW, pretty much everyone I know is using either Live or FL. I was briefly involved with a small record label in London that put out whatever dance music sounds caught our ears - 5 of the 6 artists we pressed to vinyl used FL, and all were making stuff that sounded nothing like the other - from limiter bothering noisy hip-hop sludge to ravey grime music, and all the wonderful, countless forms of dance music inbetween.
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- KVRist
- 131 posts since 21 Jul, 2012
No worries. I'll hold off on providing a list. As I alluded to they've already gave indications that they will address things that fall into the basket I'm referring to at some point. Until then, FL Studio is what it is. If you're happy with it, who am I to say you shouldn't be?murnau wrote:I can't agree, i found many things are much easier done in FL. Examples please!foosnark wrote:DING DING DING correct.xcentric wrote:Fl Studio has long winded ways of accomplishing simple jobs that are done much easier with most other traditional DAWs. On the flip side it allows for getting ideas down pretty quickly. There's yin and yang with every DAW.
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- KVRAF
- 3278 posts since 22 Jul, 2009
well, at least a 'recordist' will only need one or two mics...Frantz wrote:EDM is out and ADM is in. That's right, Acoustic Dance Music is the next big thing. The 2020s are going to sound a lot like the 1920s.
Better ditch FL Studio and get yourself an upright bass, a jazz drum kit, and a reel to reel tape recorder. Remember you heard it here first.