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Shiek927 · Post by **Shiek927** » Sun May 22, 2016 2:03 pm

Urs wrote:Based on the current set of models I think we'll be able to build the Synthex filter for Diva. Same filter chip as the Pro-One, but different circuitry around it.

For Diva however we don't want to add too much complexity, i.e. no selection of different calibrations, no crazy modulation depths, no multi i/o. This is why we want to do Repro-1 as a separate product, so we can do all of these things without compromising Diva's concept. And of course, we see a market for a classy emulations of a mono synth.

That all makes sense! and it's cool that Diva will still get something!

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Sun May 22, 2016 9:51 pm

Urs wrote:
glokraw wrote:What about reprofitting Filterscape?
Once we find the spare time (also accounts for Uhbik, ACE and MFM2)

I guess I should hope sales are strong enough that you never have spare time,
and have to hire some extra genious. Still, the boss gets to decide
which time is spare, and a lot of successful bosses consider their own days
all equally important, and prosper accordingly.

Do code bosses watch the universities for top 'draft picks', like
the sports moguls do for athletes?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon May 23, 2016 5:49 am

glokraw wrote:
Urs wrote:
glokraw wrote:What about reprofitting Filterscape?
Once we find the spare time (also accounts for Uhbik, ACE and MFM2)
I guess I should hope sales are strong enough that you never have spare time,
and have to hire some extra genious. Still, the boss gets to decide
which time is spare, and a lot of successful bosses consider their own days
all equally important, and prosper accordingly.

Yeah, well... it seems that the more people I hire, the less work I get done

Do code bosses watch the universities for top 'draft picks', like
the sports moguls do for athletes?

No worries, they come to us.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Mon May 23, 2016 6:01 am

All of them?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon May 23, 2016 6:14 am

AnX wrote:All of them?

Not sure. I haven't heard of any that haven't approached us

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Mon May 23, 2016 7:40 pm

Urs wrote:
AnX wrote:All of them?
Not sure. I haven't heard of any that haven't approached us

I hope you're hiring each and every one of them (as unpaid interns of course). There's so many more synths to model.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue May 24, 2016 6:42 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
Urs wrote:
AnX wrote:All of them?
Not sure. I haven't heard of any that haven't approached us
I hope you're hiring each and every one of them (as unpaid interns of course). There's so many more synths to model.

Unfortunately we pay students very well. However, we really ran out of office space. No chance to hire anyone unless we can expand our workspace.

However, the number of synths-that-beg-to-be-done-virtually shrinks by the day. Seems like SEMs, MS-20s, Odysseys and now even Minimoogs come back to store shelves. Which leaves the ones that require endangered parts to run, or those which are a tad odd and obscure. That said, we have a nice range of monosynths of which we have at least two specimen. Those are the ones we might want to tackle. Two of these create a lot of glow in our eyes, even though they are not very well known.

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Thu May 26, 2016 8:06 pm

Urs wrote:However, the number of synths-that-beg-to-be-done-virtually shrinks by the day. Seems like SEMs, MS-20s, Odysseys and now even Minimoogs come back to store shelves. Which leaves the ones that require endangered parts to run, or those which are a tad odd and obscure. That said, we have a nice range of monosynths of which we have at least two specimen. Those are the ones we might want to tackle. Two of these create a lot of glow in our eyes, even though they are not very well known.

However. price, scaleability and presets support on this new reissues is in range from bad to none and there are few, really few replacements of good hw synths in sw.

Minimoogs and some Rolands are emulated very well, but there are no proper emulation of SEM exists yet. And SEM replica cost like $1k altho it's not obscure or rare, just not emulated properly.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri May 27, 2016 4:26 am

david.beholder wrote:Minimoogs and some Rolands are emulated very well, but there are no proper emulation of SEM exists yet. And SEM replica cost like $1k altho it's not obscure or rare, just not emulated properly.

I thought there were many SEM emulations out there? Surely the Arturia one isn't a bad synth at all...?

Should we do a SEM, we would probably do it as it was intended: A Synth Expander Module to accompany another monophonic synth. However, we have something more intrigueing (IMHO) around which bears a lot of similarity. We shall see, we have yet to release our first strict emulation and I can't yet commit to do any more thereafter.

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Fri May 27, 2016 8:54 am

Urs wrote:I thought there were many SEM emulations out there? Surely the Arturia one isn't a bad synth at all...?

Hahahah not even close.
So far nothing is close to SEM Filter sound -- that special sound that always reminding me of depeche mode albums and documentaries about cold war. Unexpectedly new SEM holds resonance way better than old one. I want to buy one soon, but damn it's 1k for simple mono with no keyboard. Pricey.

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Fri May 27, 2016 7:06 pm

Urs wrote:
david.beholder wrote:Minimoogs and some Rolands are emulated very well, but there are no proper emulation of SEM exists yet. And SEM replica cost like $1k altho it's not obscure or rare, just not emulated properly.
I thought there were many SEM emulations out there? Surely the Arturia one isn't a bad synth at all...?

Should we do a SEM, we would probably do it as it was intended: A Synth Expander Module to accompany another monophonic synth. However, we have something more intrigueing (IMHO) around which bears a lot of similarity. We shall see, we have yet to release our first strict emulation and I can't yet commit to do any more thereafter.

Let's say opinions differ. Some think a couple of SEM emulations are quite ok, like the one from Arturia. Others, like David, laugh at that

But what he isn't getting, is that this Arturia synth/emulation (whatever) is just a great little synth to play with. And there are quite a few (SEM emulations) of them at this point.

IMHO, i think you are at the right way a.t.m. with more intriguing synths. Certainly good on the way with your first one, the RePro

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Fri May 27, 2016 7:22 pm

I see marketing departmen is over here trying to soften situation. My advise: please don't.

exmatproton wrote: I thought there were many SEM emulations out there? Surely the Arturia one isn't a bad synth at all...?

It's not bad - it's generic and doesn't represent actual hardware. If people buying something named SEM for $150 !!! they're expecting something SEM sounding but it's simple doesn't and that's bad.

For the same money they could buy generic zdf synth and enjoy similar level of emulation.

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Fri May 27, 2016 7:35 pm

david.beholder wrote:I see, marketing departmen is over here trying to soften situation. My advise: please don't.

exmatproton wrote: I thought there were many SEM emulations out there? Surely the Arturia one isn't a bad synth at all...?
It's not bad - it's generic and doesn't represent actual hardware. If people buying something named SEM for $150 !!! they're expecting something SEM sounding but it's simple doesn't and that's bad.

For the same money they could buy generic zdf synth and enjoy similar level of emulation.

Lol.......

I agree on the generic part (for a bit, since the lay out and the possibilities are not generic). But the sound is lovely and yes, it isn't emulating the real deal 100%.

What i ment to say is, U-He should keep on the path it is going now. And emulate those weird old gems. In my ears (but i am not a real SEM fan anyway, and yes, i have played with a 4 voice) the SEM is (nowadays) a bit of a generic synth anyway. Back in the days it was not, let's keep that clear. It was a marvaleous "invention". An awesome piece for sure.

"My advise: please don't." <---- ? Weird...it is my take on the hard- and software. I have different ears and needs, so my opinion is just as valid. And i really think people can decide for themselves whether they like the sem emulations or not.

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Fri May 27, 2016 10:16 pm

exmatproton wrote:I agree on the generic part (for a bit, since the lay out and the possibilities are not generic). But the sound is lovely and yes, it isn't emulating the real deal 100%.

Unfortunately you're wrong as there are any other non-generic possibilities on SEM. Most of monosynths has what SEM has.
The real deal as well as say minimoog or pro-1 is not about features or layout -- it's about sound of components. That's most important in SEM, that's totally missed by Arturia.

exmatproton wrote:In my ears (but i am not a real SEM fan anyway, and yes, i have played with a 4 voice) the SEM is (nowadays) a bit of a generic synth anyway. Back in the days it was not, let's keep that clear. It was a marvaleous "invention". An awesome piece for sure.

Well may be you've played it wrong

))) SEM is generic by design but it sounds almost like no other synth because of Filter and Env behavior -- it has incredible creamy and organic tone -- sound praised by Legowelt, Dave Spiers, Alan Wilder and lot of others.

exmatproton wrote:"My advise: please don't." <---- ? Weird...it is my take on the hard- and software. I have different ears and needs, so my opinion is just as valid. And i really think people can decide for themselves whether they like the sem emulations or not.

No, unfortunately things are not as you've described.
Evertyme I write something like "Compny C's VST A doesn't sound like emulation of A" someone on compensation from company C is appearing and starting to argue how good is VST A. And their arguments are usually not about sound/quality of emulation but about "opinion equality", "let people decide", "other options". So there should be some adjustment

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exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Sat May 28, 2016 12:44 am

david.beholder wrote:
exmatproton wrote:I agree on the generic part (for a bit, since the lay out and the possibilities are not generic). But the sound is lovely and yes, it isn't emulating the real deal 100%.

Unfortunately you're wrong as there are any other non-generic possibilities on SEM. Most of monosynths has what SEM has.
The real deal as well as say minimoog or pro-1 is not about features or layout -- it's about sound of components. That's most important in SEM, that's totally missed by Arturia. let's agree to disagree to a certain extend. What i seek is clearly something else in contrast to you.

exmatproton wrote:In my ears (but i am not a real SEM fan anyway, and yes, i have played with a 4 voice) the SEM is (nowadays) a bit of a generic synth anyway. Back in the days it was not, let's keep that clear. It was a marvaleous "invention". An awesome piece for sure.

Well may be you've played it wrong ))) SEM is generic by design but it sounds almost like no other synth because of Filter and Env behavior -- it has incredible creamy and organic tone -- sound praised by Legowelt, Dave Spiers, Alan Wilder and lot of others. After years of playing on different synths (both hard- and software, i don't think i have played it wrong. I just don't think it is my thing. I am sure there are synths that aren't made for you as well

exmatproton wrote:"My advise: please don't." <---- ? Weird...it is my take on the hard- and software. I have different ears and needs, so my opinion is just as valid. And i really think people can decide for themselves whether they like the sem emulations or not.
No, unfortunately things are not as you've described. It is. It is really very simple; when a company releases a synth, people make up their own mind. They read/view reviews, or just buy it, or whatever. It is as simple as that. I have the feeling you place yourself a bit to high above others. We have all our own passions and we seek different stuff.
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