Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer

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Sendy wrote:No problem! It was fun, and I got some good results. Though I think the random algorythm could use a little work, many of the wavetables you get are nothing but ultra high frequencies. But when I wasn't getting this problem, I was getting really interesting sounds, unlike any other wavetable synth I've heard - very organic.

I'm sure there's a way to translate high frequencies down to sit above the fundamental, using one of the spectral editing tools, but I haven't found it yet.
I agree that the Random wavetable feature could create a lot of "waste" but it usually does not take too many attempts to get something that is really interesting or that is even really great.

With some Random wavetbles i did also cut certain parts out that did not sound really good or that did not really seem to fit into the rest of the table.
For simply removing high frequency the advanced features in the editor also offer differnt kinds of filters or comparable features. The "Shrink" feature in the SPECTRUM features could be also helpful to get the high frequeny waveforms down whiel it could also change the sound. The "Shift Down" entry in the same menu shifts all partials of the waveform down by one harmonic.

Maybe it would be indeed possible to get additional Random wavetable modes and maybe comparable to those different options that already exist for random single waveforms. During the closed Beta i had simply used the Random feature too few to make any suggestiosn for this.
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Thanks Sendy and other guys for sharing your work!
Anyone knows if made wavetables are autotuned by synth itself? (I think I saw on Electra page that it has that feature, maybe Im mistaking)
I am also curious about does it saves resynthesized version of file inside preset or its good as long as you dont move original wav file? Seems like it does according to info on Tone2 Icarus site but Im not sure:
"If you design your own sounds, they are automatically stored within your tracks. There will be no broken songs because there are files missing on your hardisc. This means that your musical creations will be always safe. Also, your own patches, waveforms and wavetables can be saved to fxp or wav format. This makes it easy for you to manage your own creations. Exchange your sounds with friends, export them to 3rd party software or create your own sets."

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bojanboyss wrote:Thanks Sendy and other guys for sharing your work!
Anyone knows if made wavetables are autotuned by synth itself? (I think I saw on Electra page that it has that feature, maybe Im mistaking)
I am also curious about does it saves resynthesized version of file inside preset or its good as long as you dont move original wav file? Seems like it does according to info on Tone2 Icarus site but Im not sure:
Waveforms and wavetables are saved within the patch file (*.fxp).

While wavetables and single waveforms are saved as WAV files when loaded in Icarus they seem to exist as additive partials and phase informations for each partial that could be edited within the wavetable and waveform editor.

As in Icarus (besides wavetables that consist of many single waveforms) you deal with single cycle waveforms (length seems to be 2048 samples for all waveforms) the pitch does not seem to be an issue like with longer samples in sample playback synths. In Icaraus longer samples could be only imported as a wavetable (by Resynthesis) but not played with sample playback like the orginal sample.
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Thank you very much!

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EnGee wrote:
recursive one wrote:
Still didn't decide between this and Serum (or should I wait for Avenger instead? first world problems ;) )
You mean you haven't got Serum yet?! I think it is a no brainer deal!

IMO, they have different sounds and characters. I have spent enough time with them both. Icarus is the Tone2 version of Virus, while Serum is more like Massive 2. They can overlap of course but the differences are noticeable when you get deeper and try making your presets.

IMO Dune 2 is between the two, but more towards Icarus. Anyway, it is still different from them both, as it has the additional FM oscillator.
Still haven't but I think I'll get it soon. As for Icarus, as you say there is lot of overlap between it and Virus/ Dune2 both of which I allready have, If I'll add Serum to them there shouldn't be any gap left which could be filled by Icarus.
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None of the synths you mentioned can do resynthesis in high quality, does have a really good wavetable editor or does come with a vocoder. Imho also the sound quality of Icarus surpasses the competitors. Serum has no Arp and only one Filter, Dune and the Virus fail with custom wavetables. They are more VA synths.

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Serum has an exquisite wavetable editor and it actually has 2 filters, the 2nd one is located in the FX section (and is not polyphonic/per voice).

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flakes2 wrote:None of the synths you mentioned can do resynthesis in high quality, does have a really good wavetable editor or does come with a vocoder. Imho also the sound quality of Icarus surpasses the competitors. Serum has no Arp and only one Filter, Dune and the Virus fail with custom wavetables. They are more VA synths.
Dune can load custom wavetables. And calling them VA is ridiculous, the original Waldorf Wavetable synths like the PPG had a comparatively small set of built in wavetables to choose from and no built-in wavetable editor. Having a builtin editor or the ability to load custom wavetables doesn't make a wavetable synth, having wavetable based oscs is what counts.

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[quote="Sampleconstruct"]Serum has an exquisite wavetable editor and it actually has 2 filters, the 2nd one is located in the FX section (and is not polyphonic/per voice).[/quote]
By using your definition icarus has 9 filters:
-3 filters in the osc section. one for every single oscs
- 2 multimode filters in the filter section
- 3 filters in the effect section (monophonic)
- One Eq (monophonic)

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flakes2 wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Serum has an exquisite wavetable editor and it actually has 2 filters, the 2nd one is located in the FX section (and is not polyphonic/per voice).
By using your definition icarus has 9 filters:
-3 filters in the osc section. one for every single oscs
- 2 multimode filters in the filter section
- 3 filters in the effect section (monophonic)
- One Eq (monophonic)
I don't give a dead trout about how many filters Icarus might have, I just tried to correct your incorrect statement about Serum.

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aMUSEd wrote:
flakes2 wrote:None of the synths you mentioned can do resynthesis in high quality, does have a really good wavetable editor or does come with a vocoder. Imho also the sound quality of Icarus surpasses the competitors. Serum has no Arp and only one Filter, Dune and the Virus fail with custom wavetables. They are more VA synths.
Dune can load custom wavetables. And calling them VA is ridiculous, the original Waldorf Wavetable synths like the PPG had a comparatively small set of built in wavetables to choose from and no built-in wavetable editor. Having a builtin editor or the ability to load custom wavetables doesn't make a wavetable synth, having wavetable based oscs is what counts.
I wouldn't call Dune a wavetable synth either though. Its main purpose is VA, so i'd call it a VA synth.

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chk071 wrote: I wouldn't call Dune a wavetable synth either though. Its main purpose is VA, so i'd call it a VA synth.
DUNE v1 i a VA synth (while it was posible to seeep through the available waveforms), DUNE 2.5 is a wavetable synth (even if it does not have a built-in editor, but Audio Term has a compatble export format for DUNE 2). Those 2 versions are actually 2 different synths.
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Ingonator wrote:DUNE 2.5 is a wavetable synth
Why? Just because it CAN do wavetable? IMO, the main purpose of a synth should be the denominator for its use. What is Synthmaster then?

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Ingonator wrote:DUNE 2.5 is a wavetable synth (even if it does not have a built-in editor, but Audio Term has a compatble export format for DUNE 2)
it also does not do re-synthesis

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chk071 wrote:
Ingonator wrote:DUNE 2.5 is a wavetable synth
Why? Just because it CAN do wavetable? IMO, the main purpose of a synth should be the denominator for its use. What is Synthmaster then?
Well i had used Synthmaster since v1 (many of you do not even know that version) and it was one of the first softsynths (Synthmaster 2.0 with the included wavetable oscillator was released back in 2009 !!) besides Zebra 2 that had a kind of wavetable editor inside (before Serum, Icarus, WaveGenerator etc. ere released), even if you could only use a maximum of 16 different waveforms (+ additional interpolation added in realtime).
Synthmaster could do tons of other stuff but to tell it is not also a wavetable synth would be wrong IMO...
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