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xx JPRacer xx · Post by **xx JPRacer xx** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:52 am

PietW. wrote:Will Zebra 3 appear in 2016?

I'd bet on (late) 2017.

zethus909 · Post by **zethus909** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:24 am

i still havent fully mastered zebra2 yet, i could go another year probably without REALLY wanting something new to play with. a couple other minor suggestions for ongoing general improvements:

~Allow the "sliders" on the XY1234 mod panels to move in increments other than 1.25 , it just goes from zero to 1.25 to 2.5 etc,
ie. if i want to assign the mod knob to the right of an Oscillator's Pitch(depth knob) to be controlled by an LFO, and I want it only to modulate a 1 semi tone range.....thats fine i can do that using the depth knob to +1 (because it has 1 semitone increments up to 48).....

BUT, what if i assign that depth knob to the X1 knob, so that in my performance, i dont want to always have the LFO modulating, i only want it to modulate WHEN i push the X1 knob away from the zero point......problem is that i cant do that, because the XY slider only goes in 1.25 amounts......i actually need need a semitone distance from 0, which would be 100/48 = 2.08333.......

so even if you could not allow for continuous .00 amounts, can you make it 2.08333 increments because at least that is tonally applicable .....why make it 1.25? or somehow have it change to adjust to the modulator that is it assigned to....
basically, easiest would be just let it move in .00 increments

~i also think i have a good grasp on which VCF filters i think are the best sounding for certain sounds.....the 12dB is by far the most pleasing in terms of overall resonance and clarity.....i also NEVER use the XMF filters because they just dont ever result in anything musically pleasing......i think the XMF filters are pretty overated.

yes they go into self resonance, but so what.....the distortion doesnt ever sound very good....

imo the best, cleanest most robust filters are all VCF, the:
12dB
LP SK
LP 35
LP Vintage
AP Ph8
LP Xcite
LP Old Drive

are the most "usable" filters for me....they can provide excellent leads and basslines, the drive on the 12dB sounds way better than all the XMF i have tried...imo

to a lesser extent, i like the LP Xcite, and the LP Old Drive, they are pleasing, but not as robust as the aforementioned.

The LP All Round is very resonant, and that one is by far the most crazy acid filter, but in terms of actual clarity and robustness, it just doesnt quite get there....

All the other VCF filters (other than utility HP BP etc) you could basically trash imo. Create variants of the more robust ones.... and the XMF, i think you could totally trash that actually....it's really not actually useful in a sound design sense....it SOUNDS good on paper....but in actual practical use I am never happy with the ultimate result ive gotten...and believe me, I have tried. I tried so hard BECAUSE it is supposed to be the "amazing" "good" filter, but it isnt. Thats just the truth. How I perceive it.

~i would like more variations on the simple sinewave carrier. just little tweaks...or the ability to change something structural about it. I find that basically all the other carriers are sonically useless unless you are really going for something very glitchy and filled with noise.....all those carriers have too much harmonics

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:51 am

I like the XMF filters... Here is one quick example I just made... first is a single Osc. Then the same Osc with the XMF filter enabled... nothing else changes. Try doing that with the LP12

http://draigathar.org/sounds/XMF3.mp3

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:30 pm

I love the XMF filters the most (especially the AP3LP with high resonance)....just saying

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:37 pm

zethus909 wrote:......i think the XMF filters are pretty overated.

Ouch!

zethus909 · Post by **zethus909** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:04 am

the xmf is just really innefficient too, the tradeoff is not even worth it, for slightly higher cpu load, there no sonic benefit that i can find...

also, the ModFX, this is basically not very robust either....now on the Hive synth, that flanger sounds incredible, one of the bes ti have heard...on zebra, the chorus is the best one, but its really just not very robust, it just ends up clouding the sound. and the phaser and "phorus" are not nice at all. i think these fx need serious re-vamping

the reverb oth is really amazing, i love that reverb, and the delay is amazing.

the shaper i never use it, it's just blehhh, the distortion is a massive cpu hog, but you can get some really nice fat sounds with, specially on basslines, works good, but still high cpu load.....

i would rather fewer effects that are way more efficient but that are also useful and actually really DIG in to the sound... like all MODFX, i feel like they never really dig in to the sound, they are just kind of sitting on top, and clouding the sound...so there is really a need for some improvement there....

be nice to have a 3rd GLFO.......i would take 3 GLFOs and 3 LFOs over 2 and 4

the EQs i dont ever end up using, because there is just not enough precision, they just end up clouding the sound also....

zethus909 · Post by **zethus909** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:07 am

pdxindy wrote:I like the XMF filters... Here is one quick example I just made... first is a single Osc. Then the same Osc with the XMF filter enabled... nothing else changes. Try doing that with the LP12

http://draigathar.org/sounds/XMF3.mp3

try doing this with any XMF
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0rLxVJsi28b
this is 12dB

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:23 am

zethus909 wrote:
pdxindy wrote:I like the XMF filters... Here is one quick example I just made... first is a single Osc. Then the same Osc with the XMF filter enabled... nothing else changes. Try doing that with the LP12

http://draigathar.org/sounds/XMF3.mp3
try doing this with any XMF
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0rLxVJsi28b
this is pure unadulterated 12dB badass...you cannot do this with ANY other filter in zebra.

The LP12 is one of my favorites. I did not claim the XMF can do anything it can. What I did do is provide an audio example showing how the XMF can do stuff the LP12 or other Zebra filter cannot. Just cause you do not find it useful does not mean that is so for others.

btw, you did not provide an example without the LP12

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:26 am

zethus909 wrote:
be nice to have a 3rd GLFO.......i would take 3 GLFOs and 3 LFOs over 2 and 4

better have 6 LFO's that can be mono or poly according to the choice of the user... plus make the Env's looping.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:46 am

zethus909 wrote:the xmf is just really innefficient too, the tradeoff is not even worth it, for slightly higher cpu load, there no sonic benefit that i can find...

You might need to get your ears checked, then.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:08 am

pdxindy wrote:plus make the Env's looping.

The envs loop already, if you wish so

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:12 pm

Urs wrote:
pdxindy wrote:plus make the Env's looping.
The envs loop already, if you wish so

Pardon... I meant re-triggered Env's like Bazille has (via LFO or Sequencer).. which can be tempo sync'ed

zethus909 · Post by **zethus909** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:18 am

the shaper is actually ok, i just dont use it often, but it is good for adding some bluntness to a sound, and its efficient

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:06 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Urs wrote:
pdxindy wrote:plus make the Env's looping.
The envs loop already, if you wish so
Pardon... I meant re-triggered Env's like Bazille has (via LFO or Sequencer).. which can be tempo sync'ed

The Zebra2 envelopes can be tempo-synced as well as looped.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:17 pm

...but not triggered by anything other than input notes.

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