Halion 6 or Falcon?
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11062 posts since 12 May, 2008
From the looks of it, the wavetable oscilator of halion 6 blows away the wavetable functions in Falcon. It looks seriously impressive. Also the ability to sample directly in Halion looks good and I think the overall sound quality, to my ears, seems much better in Halion. But of course you miss the FM module, the pluck module, some sample playback modes from Falcon. And the modulation workflow looks different. Falcon wasn't for me, but the support was excellent, I doubt you'll get that good of support from Steinberg!
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- KVRist
- 204 posts since 22 Jan, 2007
Hello,
I use both. They complement each other very well.
In Falcon also tools for FM, physical modeling for plucksounds and a drumsynth included.
In HALion 6 not yet. HALion can Sampling, Falcon not. HALion has Autoloop, Falcon not.
Falcon is VST2 only, no VST3.
The factory library in Falcon is limited to electronic music, there are no pianos, strings, choirs, brasses, guitars etc. included.
If you have the money, you should take both.
The basic sound of the Falcon I find something more modern than HALion. Falcon has good filters, and onboard effects. A very good reverb, delay, chorus and EQ.
I use both. They complement each other very well.
In Falcon also tools for FM, physical modeling for plucksounds and a drumsynth included.
In HALion 6 not yet. HALion can Sampling, Falcon not. HALion has Autoloop, Falcon not.
Falcon is VST2 only, no VST3.
The factory library in Falcon is limited to electronic music, there are no pianos, strings, choirs, brasses, guitars etc. included.
If you have the money, you should take both.
The basic sound of the Falcon I find something more modern than HALion. Falcon has good filters, and onboard effects. A very good reverb, delay, chorus and EQ.
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- KVRist
- 43 posts since 30 Dec, 2012
Falcon can import and play samples. I might not understand what you mean.maximoog wrote:Hello,
I
In HALion 6 not yet. HALion can Sampling, Falcon not. HALion has Autoloop, Falcon not.
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Yes Falcon can play samples.backagain wrote:Falcon can import and play samples. I might not understand what you mean.maximoog wrote:In HALion 6 not yet. HALion can Sampling, Falcon not. HALion has Autoloop, Falcon not.
But with HALion you can "record directly into HALion from any internal or external source and have your samples cut, mapped and ready to play in no time with the new live-sampling editor."
- Banned
- 280 posts since 10 Jan, 2014
Don't forget all the granular synthesis modes in Falcon...
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- KVRAF
- 2338 posts since 28 Feb, 2015
HALion does granular synthesis as well..
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- KVRist
- 43 posts since 30 Dec, 2012
Falcon has a Slice option to chop up waves at their transients and map to keyboard. What's the difference?Numanoid wrote: But with HALion you can "record directly into HALion from any internal or external source and have your samples cut, mapped and ready to play in no time with the new live-sampling editor."
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
?backagain wrote:Falcon has a Slice option to chop up waves at their transients and map to keyboard. What's the difference?Numanoid wrote: But with HALion you can "record directly into HALion from any internal or external source and have your samples cut, mapped and ready to play in no time with the new live-sampling editor."
Do you understand what sampling is about, in the old school sense ?
Loading is not the same as recording.
For some users recording directly into the sampler is of utmost importance, and Falcon can't do that, but Halion 6 can.
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- KVRAF
- 3368 posts since 2 Oct, 2004
That's not sampling. That's rompling.backagain wrote:Falcon can import and play samples. I might not understand what you mean.maximoog wrote:Hello,
I
In HALion 6 not yet. HALion can Sampling, Falcon not. HALion has Autoloop, Falcon not.
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- KVRist
- 218 posts since 16 Feb, 2010 from Germany
How stable runs Halion 6? And what about CPU load please?
Anyone tried Halion with Maschine! yet?
Does Halion has a autoloop , how about a loop editor Where youncan overlap the loop start with the loop end to be able to create perfect loop s easily ?
Anyone tried Halion with Maschine! yet?
Does Halion has a autoloop , how about a loop editor Where youncan overlap the loop start with the loop end to be able to create perfect loop s easily ?
- KVRAF
- 16445 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
HALion comes with a better factory library, Falcon has better libraries available for it. Falcon is an extremely capable synthesizer in its own right, moreso than HALion.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11062 posts since 12 May, 2008
Surely that must depend on what types of synthesis are more important to you. While falcon has FM and the pluck thing, those are really pretty basic (modulation system aside which seems equally flexible in both products). But when you look at the wavetable synthesis, you can not really compare Falcon to Halion. The resynthesis and morphing looks extremely powerful in Halion. And honestly I just don't think the wavetable module sounds very good in Falcon, but that's personal.Uncle E wrote: Falcon is an extremely capable synthesizer in its own right, moreso than HALion.
What Falcon does seem to have is many different sample playing modes of various quality, in particular from IRCAM, with high quality stretching. I'm still not sure what modes Halion has other normal playback and granular...
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- KVRian
- 1240 posts since 8 Jan, 2012 from frankfurt, Germany
does the live sample recording work also with ableton in VST2 and are there any features missing if you don't use cubase ?"record directly into HALion"