Which plugin idea should I develop?

[nonnaci]

I'm all about lossy compression and shrinking feature space, especially if she's wearing high heels. However, the database would have to have been used for a while to really get a generally complete picture (feature space) of all user types and preferences before shedding any info for the sake of optimization. (Need to take the picture before compressing it.)

Yea, cold-starts are always difficult. Like getting out of bed after a winter of hibernation ;(

[xoxos]

twitter doesn't seem to want me to play anything without joining. automated music is as rare as borogove posts. for some reason, most of the items touted as procedural listening seem to largely forego the idea of music being polytimbral, polyphonic (saying this without auditioning). people must be very busy indeed to ignore such obvious cultural potentials.

vertion my interest in procedure for reception instead of interaction is (perhaps wrongly) to take the user out of "doing things" mode. when you're doing things, you have to do things, and all your do things style software is installed and running, let's say. procedure has the capability (not necessarily exploited often, as demonstrated by a number of recent posts) to produce acultural semantic. it could, possibly, then, even be, or induce, a memetic injection of actual, much needed cogency. reason without a cultural pedigree.

i've always, sort of thought,
the concept that music software development can be used to transform a species of ravenous foaming at the mouth entrained gutsaches into some form of existence that can perceive out of its entrainment and thereby bring on a novel global era of actual nonasinine behaviour to be something worth thinking about.

it's like, if weather is bad, you say, inclement weather. everybody says inclement weather. most people probably live and die without considering the literal meaning of the term, it is only patterned behaviour to say inclement if we are talking about weather.

nobody can think, nobody can reason or parse, unless you present them with things they have already seen before.

regardless of how this comes to be, using the machine to accustomise the listener to qualify with adjectives from the entire set of rational literal meaning by definition instead of entrained behaviour so that when your stalled car is stuck on a hill and only capable of moving backwards and the people behind you won't go around you because they are shouting "move forward! it's the law!" then maybe we can have a lovely day instead of encountering vulgar hostile moronism because people can't think when they are busy buying or selling music software to each other as if it had value isn't it.

get money. fetch!

that's all these people are doing here. maybe your method of encouraging people to do things is ultimately more effective than my method of praying people will someday pay attention to what they are doing, dunno really.

but you know, these chaotic attractor oscs that have a threshold where a stable oscillation becomes unstable, a lot of the research seems to be in weather systems.

[Borogove]

twitter doesn't seem to want me to play anything without joining.

Should do, I'm able to see the posts while signed out. Modern browser with embedded video ability?

Try https://twitter.com/tediousneobrain/sta ... 6829307905

for some reason, most of the items touted as procedural listening seem to largely forego the idea of music being polytimbral, polyphonic (saying this without auditioning).

Tedious Neobrain is indeed polytimbral and polyphonic. It's not great at harmony yet, but all the melodic lines within a piece are in the same scale at least.

[Vertion]

xoxos,

People are crazy indeed. I once had grandeur thoughts and a sense of burden to guide humanity. I once put way too much pride in my intelligence and began to think I was more evolved.. but after losing everything in my life, still thinking I had it all under control.. I thought again.

I do not endorse the following idea I am presenting.. but I figured I'd share. The idea I had was how to guide humanity. The only thoughts I had were to utilize AI and motion. Such that tends to the 'garden' of humanity. Humans have a short life, and a feeling of being in control is a feeling of success and security... but control is power, and power is an endless struggle with humans. If you've ever thought of or invented real systems to control and guide the human race, you'll see you've been beaten to the punch, they are already here..and the picture is a lot uglier than most know.

If you were going to control with AI, it would have to be covert, as humans will resist losing the perceived locus of control and if out right overt force were used by AI to control, dedicated human efforts to eradicating robotics would occur. So what remains? Information. If you can control what people believe the situation is, you can control their behavior. People are situationally reactive.. which is basic adaptive behavior that life exhibits. Everyone is fundamentally controlled by this. How else can you expect people to work, live, and die for monopoly money?

You can control information at many levels, but if there are hierarchical structures you could potentially infiltrate and guide the information moving around.. thus it can be used to shift the entire focus. Mass media is an obvious example, a few sources direct information in all directions, controlling all kinds of presupposed constructs into the minds of the people. You can also modulate through light and sound through far more subversive methods... as a simple example.. let's say you have a real guinea pig.. place it in a large playpen, hook a camera, mic, and speaker through a computer.. use a dense deep recurrent neural network.. set the objective function so that the guinea pig stays on one side of the playpen for a longer period of time. Watch it learn.. this can be done with any behavior as long as the objective function, monitoring/surveillance, and augmentation mechanism (speaker, light) is all intact. This can also be done on a group of animals/people simultaneously. It's no secret that some online advertisers use a large potion of this mechanism.. not just to collect all navigation information, not just to show you the ads that you want to see.. but the ones you don't.. intentionally... all affecting you. To those who are reading this who are awakening to this reality upon reading, don't freak out.. this has been going on for some time... live life as normal, nothing changed but your awareness.

Which brings me back to music.. music can be a form of this. The highly repetitious nature of music allows one to instill mantra-like notions in the mind of the listener.. if you place words to be repeated.. if you place sounds that resemble real words.. you can get the listener accustomed to hearing phrases without awareness. You can adjust cultural beliefs and attitudes using these mechanisms and many more.

I'm not going to get into politics.. but if you think for a minute the info your getting from the general sources are not orchestrated, I recommend you have a much closer look. I gave all notions of power and glory up long ago, too much responsibility for one person to handle. Power sucks, but it's a fact of life. *shrugs*

[xoxos]

what to add worldly things are worldly. i could say whirled lee, but only teh cryptos would get the second pat. and they wouldn't like it. always say, power puts the owe in the p.r. guess i'll say, glory puts the lor in the g.y.? no that's far too silly let's not go to camelot.

build the compressor

[Vertion]

what to add worldly things are worldly. i could say whirled lee, but only teh cryptos would get the second pat. and they wouldn't like it. always say, power puts the owe in the p.r. guess i'll say, glory puts the lor in the g.y.? no that's far too silly let's not go to camelot.

build the compressor

No offense, but I would love to hear the things you say if we ever blazed together. Gravity hit a whole gram of Sour Diesel and let the wildly creative ideas flow. lol

I am starting the full project I spoke of, but I'm going to do it in parts.. I might ask a few DSP questions on the forum here if I run into development issues. I'll likely do some prototyping in Reaktor where it's feasible.

[xoxos]

created twitter account, still could not be played i think my firefox is like a year old.

shucks, you know. that's the stupid world of idiots trying to screw the f**k out of folks.

folks seem to like diesel.

it would be keen just to know someone who isn't trying to deny to kvr the relationship between dsp and thc. it's like they want decent well meaning productive folks to be stigmatised and go to jail or get murdered because of corruption so they can say "buy my plugin i do not smoke herb unlike freaks".

[stratum]

During the early 90's there was a strong meaning correlation between dsp and thc. If there still is an effort to deny it, a lot of crap must have been produced at that time.

[InLight-Tone]

Embed the functionality of Symbolic Composer inside a plugin with drag and drop to the host for an alternative to midi keyboard entry. All the synthesis stuff has been done well, but the compositional side of things needs work...

[Vertion]

All the synthesis stuff has been done well, but the compositional side of things needs work...

Excellent point.

[xoxos]

thanks for showing up and yacking gave me a nudge to try some new things, appreciate it. the value of constructive conversation.

[Vertion]

thanks for showing up and yacking gave me a nudge to try some new things, appreciate it. the value of constructive conversation.

xoxos,
I'll infer that you were referring to me given the volume of my posts, and perhaps referring to the one-time make-out session I may or may not have had with the Blarney Stone. I'm always up for a live brain storm. Your ideas and software always get my attention. Cheers!

[aciddose]

An idea I've had for a long time has been to use machine learning in some way to hash music. It wouldn't matter what sort of input you used, it could be any sort of generator.

For example say we have these elements:

1) notation format "sequences"
A subset of midi for example used purely to exchange actual sequence data as a neutral medium between modules.

2) component structure "structures"
You always have some set of defined elements in music. You might have a piano combined with a flute and a drum set for example. The structural elements therefore would need to be categorized in some way and combined into these unique combinations. This could be applied on many levels other than just to "instruments".

3) mixing and sequencing "orders"
By taking specific structures and rendering sequences with those structures you end up with some component parts of music. It is in my opinion important to note that when you stick to a single structure in combination with a single sequence you tend to end up with something rather boring.

In most enjoyable music it should be possible to note that there is typically a higher level of entropy with multiple sequences and multiple structures at play. The particular order and sequence of events is then an important element on its own as a sort of modulation of the component parts (layers, builds, fades, meta-structures) and could constitute what I'd call an order or program.

4) genetic code "identifiers"
For each component part it is necessary to uniquely identify the component. These IDs could be thought of as seed values input into the generators for those components. It would be most ideal if these IDs contained some significant amount of structure and logic such that you could identify similar or dissimilar components and "evolve" those genetic structures through well known evolutionary processes.

5) ratings of fitness "values"
Each component should have some form of rating applied to it based upon its fitness to allow for evolution to take place. Combinations of elements would then also need ratings and so on up to the point where you have a final piece of music. It seems unlikely that "valid" ratings could be applied via machine learning without a huge database of subjective ratings applied by human subjects to an equally huge database of component parts.

If it for some reason isn't obvious yet; the idea is to try to break down "music" into the smallest component parts possible and then develop a system to code for and generate these component parts. At each higher level the same sort of coding/IDs come into play to assemble more and more meta components which are existing assemblies of lesser components.

The most important aspect of this is that although each component type would need its own form of coding, generators and ratings the overall workings would be abstract and shared between all component sub-types. This is what would allow for the pyramid-like structure of higher and higher levels by merely recycling the same combinatory processes.

Now the reason I haven't bothered much: it sounds like a decades-long task for someone who specializes in AI, machine learning, large scale databases and evolutionary optimization algorithms.

In other words not me.

If you wanted to be a pal you could always consider writing a general intelligence plug-in and having it construct the abstractions and implementations needed whilst running on some sort of quantum atomic extradimentional computer of some sort.

[Vertion]

aciddose,

You are on the right track, I don't think it's nearly as massive an undertaking as you think.. it's an arrangement of simple concepts. I recommend you look into the work of Kenneth Stanley. Including looking into creating a CNN/CPPNs to do some of this.. I'm not talking about the propaganda machine.. I mean compositional neural networks. Here are some links about it:

MaestroGenesis (Music evolution by preference)
http://maestrogenesis.org/

Neurogram (CPPN driven)
http://blog.otoro.net/2015/07/31/neurogram/

Pic Breeder (same)
http://www.picbreeder.com/

Endless Forms
http://endlessforms.com/

Novelty Search, HyperNEAT, his UCF page
http://www.cs.ucf.edu/~kstanley/

Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositi ... ng_network

[stratum]

Whatever you do, make sure that 90's era meaningless acronyms do not return:) Many people are allergic to those unless the text contains a sensible explanation immediately afterwards. OK- couldn't we understand what the hell COSM modelling was, and I guess it could be explained in simple terms if it wasn't just a biquad filter followed by waveshaper. Oops that phrase doesn't contain enough THC and would be filtered by the marketing department, I guess.