Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support

[Rappo Clappo]

"But sure, go ahead and believe what you want. "

@EnochLight

No need for getting mischievous.. it's not my belief that when Magnus says something I have to believe it. The fact is a little different: it's you. Magnus is not my god or something FYI

[Rappo Clappo]

@EnochLight

Again. What has Symbiosis to do with VST support in Reason?

Simple question.

Take your time... be my guest

[EnochLight]

"But sure, go ahead and believe what you want. "

@EnochLight

No need for getting mischievous..

Says the guy who stated:

Lol you are just looking for straws, little wonder.

I didn't think I was being mischievous. We're having a friendly conversation, are we not? Try not to interpret my frustration as being mischievous.

it's not my belief that when Magnus says something I have to believe it. The fact is a little different: it's you. Magnus is not my god or something FYI

The fact that you feel a respected dev is not a good source of information is probably the most troubling part of this conversation.

@EnochLight

Again. What has Symbiosis to do with VST support in Reason?

Simple question.

Take your time... be my guest

I already explained why I mentioned Symbiosis. Please re-read the posts before these , as it appears you either skipped them or their meaning is lost on you?

[Rappo Clappo]

"I already explained why I mentioned Symbiosis."

@EnochLight

But that is not the question; I said you are looking for straws. Symbiosis is only one of them, I stand corrected.

So again. What has Symbiosis to do with VST support in Reason?

Again, a very simple question. Which you try to avoid, again.. little wonder. It's obvious you are making things up which have very little to do with the implementation of VST support concerned Reason.

While it is sooo simple; Ernst said things like 'VSTs are outdated.' In 2012. And what do you know? 5 years later one of Ernst's lapdogs comes up with a statement like: "I've implemented VST support in Reason in secret, 10 years ago!" In 2007.... lol

Now if that is not suspicious, what does suspicion means in YOUR world? Feel free to express yourself.

[EnochLight]

"I already explained why I mentioned Symbiosis."

@EnochLight

But that is not the question; I said you are looking for straws. Symbiosis is only one of them, I stand corrected.

So again. What has Symbiosis to do with VST support in Reason?

Again, a very simple question. Which you try to avoid, again.. little wonder. It's obvious you are making things up which have very little to do with the implementation of VST support concerned Reason.

While it is sooo simple; Ernst said things like 'VSTs are outdated.' In 2012. And what do you know? 5 years later one of Ernst's lapdogs comes up with a statement like: "I've implemented VST support in Reason in secret, 10 years ago!" In 2007.... lol

Now if that is not suspicious, what does suspicion means in YOUR world? Feel free to express yourself.

Good grief, man - just... I can't even.

Let's try this: you feel Magnus is not a good source of information, and that he's lying - correct?

I'm stating: Magnus is a good source of information, and is not lying. My evidence that he can be trusted is that he:

• ...Is a well known dev who has worked with countless companies before
• ...Knows Propellerhead's underlying code quit well, as he designed one of their synths (Malstrom)
• ...Is a trusted dev who has contributed things to the community in the past, for free (see Symbiosis) and has only demonstrated an ethical and trusted moral compass, and as such, has little reason to lie about his Tweet.

If anyone is reaching for straws here, it's you man. I mean, you have made no compelling argument to convince otherwise. I've included links/sources to my statement, and all you've done is say: he's lying. Sorry man - you're going to have to do better than that.. LOL!

Is that easier to understand?

I mean, your entire argument is resting on "he's lying". That's not an argument, Rappo Clappo - that's a cop out.

[Rappo Clappo]

So again. What has Symbiosis to do with VST support in Reason?

[Rappo Clappo]

@EnochLight

My verdict is this: both Ernst and Magnus talk out of their neck about VST support in Reason. And you as well. Another case closed.

[EnochLight]

So again. What has Symbiosis to do with VST support in Reason?

Am I on television? I feel like someone is going to jump out behind my monitor and admit that this is all part of a practical joke.

I used Symbiosis as an example of Magnus' character. As in, he's not the sort of person who just makes shit up and lies.

Do you have any evidence that he is lying?

I'll wait.

My verdict is this: both Ernst and Magnus talk out of their neck about VST support in Reason. And you as well. Another case closed.

If you're heavily into strawman & ad hominem arguments, then sure.

[bmrzycki]

What I really hope happens is reason gets a virtual midi cable to support poly note routing. then the players can be promoted to poly utilities and RE devs can start making poly note rack extensions.

Pure speculation on my behalf but I think this is pretty much what will happen. Minus the virtual MIDI cable as REs will likely use the player approach.

I really hope MIDI cables happen. I'd love to use midi devices to do things like Omni's stack/split modes: cross-fading across multis based on keyboard position, or adding/removing parts based on velocity amounts. I also would like to assign different velocity curves to multis differently. These are things I can do in Reaper with JS but it's not nearly as workflow-friendly as Reason's rack. If Reason got this functionality it'd be one heck of a killer real-time keyboard playing experience. I can dream.

[xbitz]

meantime : https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/ ... d-respire/

[bmrzycki]

https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/when ... -in-reason

I'm surprised no one has mentioned his comment about the SDK update in the post. The most interesting thing to me is his comment about sampling. I'm interested to see what the RE development community does with sampling.

We have not stopped. As you know, we just did a serious update of the SDK this year, allowing you to create even cooler products. Next up is a serious update to the technology for building sampled based Rack Extensions.

[kmonkey]

This thread is a shame for moderators.

Several individuals pissing on everyone.

Thank you.

Foe list increased - for good

[Rappo Clappo]

@bmrzycki

I think it's exciting if they implement it well. Imagine Bitwig has Rewire support then it makes a great combo

Anyway, still a lot of work to do.

[EnochLight]

https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/when ... -in-reason

I'm surprised no one has mentioned his comment about the SDK update in the post. The most interesting thing to me is his comment about sampling. I'm interested to see what the RE development community does with sampling.

We have not stopped. As you know, we just did a serious update of the SDK this year, allowing you to create even cooler products. Next up is a serious update to the technology for building sampled based Rack Extensions.

I totally missed that - nice! He must mean IDT (which was their solution to porting Kontakt libraries), as that's the only thing that I can think of. I wonder what it could be? I mean, now that Reason supports VST, most Kontakt devs will just sell direct (I'm looking at you Output Audio). Perhaps this is something that indie devs can capitalize on...

[Numanoid]

This thread is a shame for moderators.

Obviously a lot of users got strong feelings for Reason, creating a heated debate.

I am happy that the mods at KVR are more lenient than at Props website, letting users say what they mean.