Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor

[andy-cytomic]

Are you considering making a modelled preamp? I'm currently testing the Acoustica Audio Gold with various Neve preamps. It gives a dimension and richness I can't reproduce with other preamps or non-linearity EQs. I'm using the Glue to compress once the signal is amplified with the Gold pre's but it taxes my CPU. I'm hoping you could sprinkle your algorithmic dust on a Cytomic preamp!

No plans to specifically do a pre-amp. The HD version of The Glue will add non-linearities to the main signal path, so hopefully that should do the trick.

[Tp3]

Are you considering making a modelled preamp? I'm currently testing the Acoustica Audio Gold with various Neve preamps. It gives a dimension and richness I can't reproduce with other preamps or non-linearity EQs. I'm using the Glue to compress once the signal is amplified with the Gold pre's but it taxes my CPU. I'm hoping you could sprinkle your algorithmic dust on a Cytomic preamp!

No plans to specifically do a pre-amp. The HD version of The Glue will add non-linearities to the main signal path, so hopefully that should do the trick.

Actually it could a hell of a name :

CytoMIC-Pre

[pitchdrifter]

Look at the guy's age, then look at his 'haircut', then at his demeanor.
He's stuck in the mode of a 14 year old c**t with MUCH more money than brains (nothing wrong with having money, people of the second type annoy the hell out of me though).

[aciddose]

Look at the guy's age, then look at his 'haircut', then at his demeanor.
He's stuck in the mode of a 14 year old c**t with MUCH more money than brains (nothing wrong with having money, people of the second type annoy the hell out of me though).

You're applying ad hominem here without having a point.

[sfxsound3]

Look at the guy's age, then look at his 'haircut', then at his demeanor.
He's stuck in the mode of a 14 year old c**t with MUCH more money than brains (nothing wrong with having money, people of the second type annoy the hell out of me though).

You're applying ad hominem here without having a point.

You don't like his point that's why you don't want to see it and instead are applying 'ad hominem' ad hominem attacks on him. So what's YOUR point, mister?

[aciddose]

I made a valid argument that the video is an example of confirmation bias and that the context of his argument is intentionally very narrow to ensure it is correct. If you attempt to apply the same argument without first defining "glue compression" in that narrow (arguably "incorrect") context it fails.

Where an argument is framed by first re-defining elements in a very narrow context this is referred to as a straw man argument.

I think his conclusion is made due to bias and suffers from confirmation bias. He starts out advising that his opinion is "glue compression" as an effect is nonsense.

I agree 100% with this point of view because it is absolutely 100% true. "Glue compression" is not an effect that you can suddenly apply to your track to get the next hit.

The problem is he overlooks the fact that "glue compression" is not an effect but a technique much like the difference between using all analog gear vs. ITB and the effect this can have on your mix due to your methods and strategies in working with the issues associated with the platform.

For example:

• In the analog world we're dealing with a lot of noise and other physical constraints. (Hanging yourself on a noose made of patch cables?)
• ITB we have limited processing power, aliasing and to be honest a quite nasty UI (click click.)

This means the two platforms can produce much different results simply because of all the factors at play and how those things influence the actions you take while mixing and mastering.

So his conclusion is true in the very narrow context in which he sets it up; which is the whole reason he set it up that way.

I would be surprised if you could describe what augren's "point" was? What argument is he making? All he's said is that he doesn't like the fellow in the video which is completely irrelevant. I have no idea why either of you bothered to post anything at all.

You are incorrect in your assertion that I've attacked augren; I've only pointed out that his post lacks any substance relevant to the post he was replying to. If he had stated "no I don't agree because:" and framed his argument correctly followed by presenting the ad hominem as supporting evidence I'd point out the same. As things are he did not make an argument and I'm led to believe he intended to argue that the argument made in the video was not true; this is incorrect as in the context it is set up it is true.

If augren had simply stated "no I do not agree" I would be left asking "why not?".

[BRBWaffles]

I made a valid argument that the video is an example of confirmation bias and that the context of his argument is intentionally very narrow to ensure it is correct. If you attempt to apply the same argument without first defining "glue compression" in that narrow (arguably "incorrect") context it fails.

I think his conclusion is made due to bias and suffers from confirmation bias. He starts out advising that his opinion is "glue compression" as an effect is nonsense.

I agree 100% with this point of view because it is absolutely 100% true. "Glue compression" is not an effect that you can suddenly apply to your track to get the next hit.

The problem is he overlooks the fact that "glue compression" is not an effect but a technique much like the difference between using all analog gear vs. ITB and the effect this can have on your mix due to your methods and strategies in working with the issues associated with the platform.

For example:

• In the analog world we're dealing with a lot of noise and other physical constraints. (Hanging yourself on a noose made of patch cables?)
• ITB we have limited processing power, aliasing and to be honest a quite nasty UI (click click.)

This means the two platforms can produce much different results simply because of all the factors at play and how those things influence the actions you take while mixing and mastering.

So his conclusion is true in the very narrow context in which he sets it up; which is the whole reason he set it up that way.

I would be surprised if you could describe what augren's "point" was? What argument is he making? All he's said is that he doesn't like the fellow in the video which is completely irrelevant. I have no idea why either of you bothered to post anything at all.

You are incorrect in your assertion that I've attacked augren; I've only pointed out that his post lacks any substance relevant to the post he was replying to. If he had stated "no I don't agree because:" and framed his argument correctly followed by presenting the ad hominem as supporting evidence I'd point out the same. As things are he did not make an argument and I'm led to believe he intended to argue that the argument made in the video was not true; this is incorrect as in the context it is set up it is true.

If augren had simply stated "no I do not agree" I would be left asking "why not?".

Although I don't agree with direct insults against someone's character, I do agree with making observations about someone's character in order to frame their credibility properly. If someone meets all the necessary criteria of a charlatan, it's relevant data to bring to bear. It doesn't mean the person is a charlatan, but it does place their credibility in an appropriate context.

Saying that the dude in the video is "stuck in the mode of a 14 year old c**t" is surely unacceptable and inappropriate. Pointing out that he seems to have no idea what he's talking about or any clue as to how his tools work I think is perfectly appropriate.

[pitchdrifter]

I wasn't trying to be 'appropriate' as I'm not running for office and not trying to please anybody.

I was commenting on the absence of technical understanding in the 'reviewer', which was commented on by other people before I did so, albeit in a less colorful fashion.

My comment was prompted by the fact that a guy like that publishes a comparison and doesn't know what he's doing.
It wouldn't have been more competent if he had a haircut and a different demeanor, but then I woulndn't have been able to air my frustration about him in the way I did.

Anyway, I didn't mean to derail this thread or start an argument. It's not worth it. Please move along.

[BRBWaffles]

I wasn't trying to be 'appropriate' as I'm not running for office and not trying to please anybody.

I was commenting on the absence of technical understanding in the 'reviewer', which was commented on by other people before I did so, albeit in a less colorful fashion.

My comment was prompted by the fact that a guy like that publishes a comparison and doesn't know what he's doing.
It wouldn't have been more competent if he had a haircut and a different demeanor, but then I woulndn't have been able to air my frustration about him in the way I did.

Anyway, I didn't mean to derail this thread or start an argument. It's not worth it. Please move along.

"It's OK to be ignorant so long as I have no responsibilities toward other people". That's all I read from what you wrote. I'm deeply saddened that anyone feels this way at all. There's more to being a decent person than just whether or not you think the people around you expect you to be one.

[Aloysius]

All I remember from the video is ... 'this compressor just squashes everything'. Perhaps if he/she had adjusted some parameters, a different outcome could have resulted.

[aciddose]

How does he not know what he is doing (what about his argument makes it invalid or incorrect?) and how is that relevant?

The fact is the argument he makes is valid and he is 100% correct in his conclusion: using "glue compression" as an effect simply means reducing dynamics and adding a little distortion while cutting high-frequency content; all depending upon the particulars of the compressor used but all will be present at least partially no matter which tool is used.

The only way to argue that his point of view is less valid is to point out that he has artificially limited his definition of "glue compression" to something unrelated to what most people actually refer to. That is an argument in and of itself however as I have absolutely no doubt the vast majority of people using compression have likely very little idea what they're doing.

Without getting into that though; yes it is possible to say that while his point of view is valid it is limited to a somewhat irrelevant context. It is useful though: his advice to avoid such "snake oil" is excellent advice - for newbies and some particularly foolish "experts" alike - despite the fact he does not admit that there are practical and useful applications of such tools. His definition of "glue compression" is simply one application that is not a useful application of compression.

He's also biased and admits it quite plainly that he does not use bus compression and prefers to avoid it. (Technically he said: ~"I do not like short attack time on the master bus because it loses punch." without defining "short", so he's essentially said "I do not like too much master bus compression." leaving "too much" entirely arbitrary.) That said, he did not make any argument either for or against bus compression. It's clearly not his area of expertise and he says so himself.

That's why I believe such ad hominem comments are a waste of time. He's already told us himself that he has no experience with such techniques.

[Aloysius]

So what's the point of making a video about it? Oh yeah, I remember. My AdBlocker was not working and I had to sit through some other sh*te before earning money for the video maker (I assume), which was a waste of my time.

[aciddose]

Well if the advice is particularly good for newbies who don't know how to use a compressor, perhaps it makes sense that his advice has been posted to youtube?

(Notice most videos have "snake oil" in the title. Don't buy the snake oil, kids!)

Most professional engineers offer their "advice" in the studio for $$$.

[Aloysius]

You should post a video about that.

[sfxsound3]

aciddose against the world, episode XYZ.

I'm, like, SO GLAD you already know everything, buddy. AND, you're always right, now ain't that a bonus! Let's agree to agree about that, K?