New things from Unfiltered Audio

[sonicpowa]

^ You will have a monthly voucher from PA if you have several of their plugins, but I guess 4 is not enough for that.

[Harry_HH]

^ You will have a voucher from PA if you have several of their plugins, but I guess 4 is not enough for that.

Well, I've got about 12 PA plugins, I know the PA collective voucher policy (although I think the amount and rules are a bit unclear for all the PA customers). I'm talking here about the crosscrade policy (or the lack of it) inside the UA plugins.

[thecontrolcentre]

To me it appears that the Unfiltered Audio plugins are chain of development of just "one plugin"

Huh?! G8 is a rhythm gate, SandmanPro is a delay unit, Fault does FFT manipulation and Dent is a distortion unit....They're pretty different !

All those you mention are multi-effect plugins, some more multi- than others.

If you put the SandmanPro, Instant Delay, Fault, Dent, Indent and the SpecOps raw, the overlap of the feature, sane modules is remarkable.
As said, this product strategy is absolutely valid, but in my opinion there should be better crosscrade options for the loyal customers.
I haven't got any offer from them, although I own 4 of their plugins.
I guess the price of the newest one in PA is exactly the same as for the person who buys his/her first UA plugin. That's my point.

I'm a long time customer (from before they joined PA), and I get offered great intro prices on everything UA produce. I also got Instant Delay & Indent for free.

[Harry_HH]

To me it appears that the Unfiltered Audio plugins are chain of development of just "one plugin"

Huh?! G8 is a rhythm gate, SandmanPro is a delay unit, Fault does FFT manipulation and Dent is a distortion unit....They're pretty different !

All those you mention are multi-effect plugins, some more multi- than others.

If you put the SandmanPro, Instant Delay, Fault, Dent, Indent and the SpecOps raw, the overlap of the feature, sane modules is remarkable.
As said, this product strategy is absolutely valid, but in my opinion there should be better crosscrade options for the loyal customers.
I haven't got any offer from them, although I own 4 of their plugins.
I guess the price of the newest one in PA is exactly the same as for the person who buys his/her first UA plugin. That's my point.

I'm a long time customer (from before they joined PA), and I get offered great intro prices on everything UA produce. I also got Instant Delay & Indent for free.

Well, we'll see when we have the SpecOps pricing policy. I'm ready to change my opinion.

[sonicpowa]

I'm talking here about the crosscrade policy (or the lack of it) inside the UA plugins.

I think if there would be a crossgrade offer then there is no PA vouchers. Their voucher system is already very generous. And like thecontrolcentre said there has been totally free plugins from them.

[lnikj]

I've owned G8 and Sandman at launch prices before PA days. I got Instant Delay and Indent for free, Sandman Pro and Dent as upgrades for $29 and a launch deal on Fault for $49. I'm not complaining and I am sure SpecOps will come with some sort of discount at launch.

[thecontrolcentre]

I've owned G8 and Sandman at launch prices before PA days. I got Instant Delay and Indent for free, Sandman Pro and Dent as upgrades for $29 and a launch deal on Fault for $49. I'm not complaining and I am sure SpecOps will come with some sort of discount at launch.

Similar experience here. I expect SpecOps will have a similar intro deal.

[Harry_HH]

Intro deal is the same for everyone.
PA vouchers are by the dealer, kind of same as discount code by the JRR or AD, and the policy, as we know, is a bit vague(or have you seen the rules how its counted).

I like PA plugins, and the compy is OK. This was about the UA pricing policy, and just my personal opinion.

[lnikj]

I think they are just about the most exciting developers (IMHO) around at the moment, their output rate is incredible (look at Michael's amazing free Euroreakt blocks in addition to the UA plugins/rack extensions), I like the aesthetic and I can't wait to see what they will come out over the next few years. I really can't complain that I don't get some sort of loyalty discount on top of already good offer prices.

Looking through my plugin folder the only company I can see that offers me any sort of loyalty bonus for single purchases are PSP and D16; I've had freebies from AudioThing, Valhalla and, notably, Repro-1 from U-He, but beyond that the only sort of 'loyalty bonus' I can see is bundle upgrade offers. There is no bundle, as yet, from UA.

In my experience, therefore, loyalty bonuses are few and far between. YMMV.

[thelizard]

To me it appears that the Unfiltered Audio plugins are chain of development of just "one plugin"

Huh?! G8 is a rhythm gate, SandmanPro is a delay unit, Fault does FFT manipulation and Dent is a distortion unit....They're pretty different !

All those you mention are multi-effect plugins, some more multi- than others.

If you put the SandmanPro, Instant Delay, Fault, Dent, Indent and the SpecOps raw, the overlap of the feature, sane modules is remarkable.
As said, this product strategy is absolutely valid, but in my opinion there should be better crosscrade options for the loyal customers.
I haven't got any offer from them, although I own 4 of their plugins.
I guess the price of the newest one in PA is exactly the same as for the person who buys his/her first UA plugin. That's my point.

This is an unusual accusation, especially with SpecOps. All of our plugins have a shared modulation system, but I think that's a great thing.

Let's start with the big ones: Indent is free for Dent owners, and Instant Delay is free for Sandman Pro owners. If you buy the smaller versions first, your upgrade price ends up being about the same as buying the larger plugin alone. Furthermore, Indent was free for almost a month as an introductory promotion, despite having the same large modulation system, 10-week QA process, and tech support availability as the rest of our lineup. Keep in mind that Instant Delay came out 7 months after Sandman Pro. If you bought Sandman Pro in October, over the course of this year you've received a free major modulation system update and a free plugin. I do not see how this could be considered a bad business model!

(Side note: the large majority of Dent owners got their license for $29 as an upgrade from their free Indent license during the promotion period. That, to me, is extremely generous for a new plugin.)

SpecOps, compared to the rest of our plugins, has the following shared DSP: two gain knobs, a mix knob, and a low-pass filter. The only other thing that could be considered shared is the pitch shift knob, which was reimplemented from Fault and ultimately heavy rewritten to play nice with the rest of the plugin. Scrolling through the 2,000+ lines of DSP code here, everything else was written from scratch.

Elements of Fault and Sandman Pro could be described in the similar fashion (stereo pitch shifting delay), but they share almost no DSP code aside from the feedback filters and output section. For Fault, the pitch shifter is STFT based, and the delay lines are simple, single-tap ring buffers. For Sandman Pro, every effect (including the pitch shifter) is based around a 32-tap delay buffer. The pitch shifting algorithm is done in the time domain using a granular/microsound algorithm.

[sonicpowa]

This was about the UA pricing policy, and just my personal opinion.

Yeah but you should take into consideration that UA is now part of the PA and they probably have very little or nothing to do with discounts. Basically they just develope plugins now and leave marketing/sales to PA.

And btw: for example $50 PA voucher or $50 UA crossgrade? I don´t see much difference.

[krankyone]

It is true that the discounting of plugins, especially if you already own UA plugins, might be different from the way other companies handle things. Everybody gets to have their opinion and mine is that this is very good indeed. I like the plugins, I like UA and Michael's presence here, and I like the prices and deals that I have gotten so far.

[cron]

Looking through my plugin folder the only company I can see that offers me any sort of loyalty bonus for single purchases are PSP and D16; I've had freebies from AudioThing, Valhalla and, notably, Repro-1 from U-He, but beyond that the only sort of 'loyalty bonus' I can see is bundle upgrade offers. There is no bundle, as yet, from UA.

edit: pottering tells me the bundles have been discontinued 2 posts below. Apologies for any confusion. Original post follows

There is! The 100% Unfiltered Bundle.

I picked up all the plugs individually as I was eligible for crossgrades with most, but I kept an eye on the bundle upgrade price during the process and it generally stuck to around half the cost of acquiring the plugs individually for new users. G8 is blown out for peanuts fairly regularly, but their newer plugs like Fault with no crossgrade path never dipped lower than the 'bundle completion' price during sales.

I asked Unfiltered Audio about pricing via Facebook at one point as I was curious if people who 'explicitly' bought the bundle rather than all of its contents individually (my situation) got any advantages (they don't FYI), and they pointed me toward Plugin Alliance who seem to handle that side of things entirely. I imagine it's a pretty good system for UA - Plugin Alliance taking on all of the business stuff lets them focus 100% of their time and energy on the plugins.

[masterhiggins]

When you upgrade to their bundle, do all of your existing individual plugins get combined into a single license?

[pottering]

There is no "bundle" license, it is separate licenses for each plugin.

I asked if the plugins released after were added to the bundle later (for free) and they said "nope, only the current ones".

Also I think there are no bundles anymore on Plugin Alliance, they stopped them (https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/bund ... inued.html).