T-RackS 5 (5.0.1 update,information about free CS version, release date countdown added)

[fmr]

OK so it's confirmed that if someone has v4 plugins they will be updated to v5 if you purchase the $99 upgrade?

That's NOT what Peter wrote. He wrote that they will still be the same plugins, but will run inside the new host/shell and will benefit of the new audio engine (whatever that means). At least that's my reading

When instantiated on their own, they will still be the same, and behave the same.

[evilantal]

That's NOT what Peter wrote. He wrote that they will still be the same plugins, but will run inside the new host/shell and will benefit of the new audio engine (whatever that means). At least that's my reading

When instantiated on their own, they will still be the same, and behave the same.

In case that all the other plug-ins that will be in T-Racks 5 are in fact the current v4 plug-ins, will they get updated? And if, and when, they will, will it be a paid upgrade?

This is indeed what I'm trying to find out as well..
If you don't use the standalone host and don't run the plugins inside the CS shell (which I don't), only as standalone plugins in a DAW....will the plugins that are out now, be just the same as they are now or is there some benefit to upgrading in this scenario?

Or does the €99 basic package then only give you the 4 new modules and nothing else changes?

[chili beans]

Wow this is really confusing.

[fmr]

This is indeed what I'm trying to find out as well..
If you don't use the standalone host and don't run the plugins inside the CS shell (which I don't), only as standalone plugins in a DAW....will the plugins that are out now, be just the same as they are now or is there some benefit to upgrading in this scenario?

Or does the €99 basic package then only give you the 4 new modules and nothing else changes?

My understanding from what Peter wrote is that, when buying v5, you will get the old basic plug-ins plus the 4 new ones, as v5. All the rest remains the same as it was.

What I don't get is why selling a T-Racks 5 Max, if what that's really there is a new host/shell and just a few plug-ins are in fact upgraded.

I'm not saying they are not worth buying (I did, after all), I say that's somehow "shady" naming something T-Racks 5 MAX, when in reality it's T-Racks v4 with a v5 shell/host and a few plug-ins upgraded.

[Burillo]

selling T-Racks 5 MAX gives those who don't have all of the modules a great and cheap price to upgrade to "everything" bundle. if you already have everything (or everything you need), don't buy MAX bundle. how hard can it be?!

[fmr]

selling T-Racks 5 MAX gives those who don't have all of the modules a great and cheap price to upgrade to "everything" bundle. if you already have everything (or everything you need), don't buy MAX bundle. how hard can it be?!

How hard would it be to call it what it REALLY is?

It is NOT T-Racks 5 MAX it's T-Racks 4 Max with a new host and just a few plug-ins upgraded.

Why does IK have to always confuse things? It was the same with Syntronik. They started to present it as a kind of new synth that could "emulate" all synths, and in the end it was just a sample library.

As I said, for newcomers it's still a great deal, for sure, but people deserve to know EXACTLY what they are buying. T-Racks MAX currently has 33 plug-ins. With the upgraded T-Racks 5 the number will raise to 37 plug-ins. Of those, only 5 (the ones present in the basic package) are upgraded to what could be called v5, plus the 4 added ones, of course.

The remaining 27 plug-ins are the same v4 plug-ins.

I will eventually buy T-Racks 5, but just because I have enough Jam Points to get the max discount, and because they sweetened the deal with 4 new plug-ins. As FrankLaVerne wrote, it isn't a great deal, but it's fair enough, and I've seen worse.

[firepile]

"For those that have previous T-RackS versions you'd be able to take advantage of the very low $/€99.99 pre-order pricing and also are able to use JamPoints earned from those previous purchases to get an up to 30% off additionally."

First of all, for me it's roughly 20% more given the current currency exchange (because I'd pay Euro), plus 19% VAT, which doesn't seem that verly low any more. Also, what to do when there are no more JamPoints left, which, assuming the worst possible situation, leaves us with 119€ for a UI update, provided of course that you pre-order! After that it'll be 178,49€ plus VAT, which for me would be 212€. Not the best first impression ...

On the other hand, I'd get EQual, ONE, Dyna-Mu and Master Match, plus I can use all my T-RackS 4 plugins I currently own, which for me being a Deluxe edition user is more or less okay, while for Grand or Max users it is quite a fair deal.

Still, I did hope for something a bit more fair for long term customers.

To sum it up: Not the best offer for me, but all in all I have seen worse, so it's still something I might eventually consider.

Curious about the rest of you guys

30% additional discount is quite a bit (almost one third off additionally) for our long-term customers to get, which new users cannot. I, or IK to be more precise, cannot control the fact that your government charges taxes nor control exchange rates - we aren't fans of those things either but we must comply with the law. I don't believe that those factors should be a first impression of IK, but an impression of your government. We are offering up to 30% off additionally for loyal customers - from an already low price.

Upgrade prices are usually 50% off.

[evilantal]

As I said, for newcomers it's still a great deal, for sure, but people deserve to know EXACTLY what they are buying. T-Racks MAX currently has 33 plug-ins. With the upgraded T-Racks 5 the number will raise to 37 plug-ins. Of those, only 5 (the ones present in the basic package) are upgraded to what could be called v5, plus the 4 added ones, of course.

The remaining 27 plug-ins are the same v4 plug-ins.

Ok, this could finally be the information I'm after, if it's acknowledged by IK that this is indeed the case.

But, what makes you say the 5 older plugins in the basic package are "upgraded". I can't find that anywhere on the TR5 landing page.

And would the older plugins be able to display the new GUI's (like the screenshot of EQ-PB for instance) if they're run as separate VSTs inside a DAW? If yes, how would the dll's be upgraded to that? Installing a CS v5? Or only by buying and installing "T-RackS 5 MAX"?

[Burillo]

selling T-Racks 5 MAX gives those who don't have all of the modules a great and cheap price to upgrade to "everything" bundle. if you already have everything (or everything you need), don't buy MAX bundle. how hard can it be?!

How hard would it be to call it what it REALLY is?

It is NOT T-Racks 5 MAX it's T-Racks 4 Max with a new host and just a few plug-ins upgraded.

that's what T-Racks 5 MAX is - it's T-Racks 5 shell plus all of the plugins. you might as well claim that since e.g. Classik Studio Reverb wasn't updated since T-Racks 2 days, T-Racks 5 MAX is just T-Racks 2 with a new shell and a few new plugins. what is it about T-Racks 5 MAX that you find so confusing?

[DarkStar]

As I said, for newcomers it's still a great deal, for sure, but people deserve to know EXACTLY what they are buying. T-Racks MAX currently has 33 plug-ins. With the upgraded T-Racks 5 the number will raise to 37 plug-ins. Of those, only 5 (the ones present in the basic package) are upgraded to what could be called v5, plus the 4 added ones, of course.

The remaining 27 plug-ins are the same v4 plug-ins.

Ok, this could finally be the information I'm after, if it's acknowledged by IK that this is indeed the case.

But, what makes you say the 5 older plugins in the basic package are "upgraded". I can't find that anywhere on the TR5 landing page.

And would the older plugins be able to display the new GUI's (like the screenshot of EQ-PB for instance) if they're run as separate VSTs inside a DAW? If yes, how would the dll's be upgraded to that? Installing a CS v5? Or only by buying and installing "T-RackS 5 MAX"?

Just for comparison:

>>> https://i.imgur.com/rGvGdsd.png

[dblock]

I'd also like to know what people think about the new modules, features, etc too. I'm VERY interested in thoughts about these modules, especially where they are a little different than some of the other T-RackS gear we've released in the past.

my thoughts on new modules after obsessing over every word in marketing blurbs and watching all the announcement and overview videos:

metering - looks awesome and useful. looking forward to it.

"ONE" - i rarely use all-in-one automagic devices like this, because inevitably it turns out that i don't have enough control over what is going on and have to resort to using separate plugins. i don't expect this to be the case with this one (badum-tshhh), but i would love to be proven wrong.

Vari-Mu - never used any emulations of this (let alone hardware), curious.

Match - the most matching i ever did on the master bus was pink noise matching with TDR EQ's. i don't expect to use it that often, but maybe now that it's part of T-Racks, i will. why isn't this integrated into the EQ? and why no realtime matching? no match to predefined curve (e.g. pink noise)?

EQual - ...disappointing. at first i was very excited. an EQ with a resizable GUI, a spectral analyzer, lots of different kinds of curves, and lots of bands - great! workflow and aesthetic similar to FabFilter Pro-Q2 - fantastic! But then... Pro-Q2 can do EQ matching, this one can't. Pro-Q2 can also do snap to musical notes, this one can't. Pro-Q2 can also solo bands, this one can't. it seems useful enough to be a promising potential replacement for Pro-Q2 (which i don't own, but drool over since like forever) and perhaps Waves H-EQ (which i do own and love, but hate the awkward Waves signature GUI interaction), but at the end of the day it offers nothing over them in terms of features. IK had a chance to create a perfect EQ and a great competitor to Pro-Q2 and H-EQ, but IMO you blew it. knowing IK, there won't be any updates to add this functionality, so while i'm sure i'll find use for this EQ, this could've been my goto EQ for pretty much everything, but it won't be.

I think to say IK blew it might be a little harsh imo. After all, Pro-Q2 costs $179....by itself. If IK built the perfect eq to rival Pro-Q2 as you describe,the T5 cost would probably be higher and most of the conversation here has already been about pricing complaints as it is. I've been digging through all of the complaints just to get a little read on the plugins themselves.

[cprompt]

Lemme get this straight - the only difference between V4 plugins and their V5 equivalents are:

1. Updated UI (resizable?)
2. Possible audio tweaks that are inaudible (because that would make the plugin incompatible with previous versions)
3. No dinosaur

Am I missing anything?

Of course, going for the €99 version gets you 4 new plugins which is cool, but in terms of upgrading the V4 to V5 plugins, I can only think of those 3 things.

[DarkStar]

I guess I have to ask - why ditch the dinosaurs? Did I miss the planet-shaking asteroid?

And this guy's not happy about it: Not happy!
even if he has a fringe and someone's painted huge eyes on his forehead.

[HcDoom]

So many weird posts and none talks about new models! Are there any good? Worth investing?

[Elektronisch]

I like T-Racks and IKM effects are one of the best, but "invented mastering software"? thats quite a bold statement.