ProTools dropped Windows 7 support - well, that's Pro....

[DuX]

Let me get that straight... You do not want to upgrade your OS. It's stable and doesn't need patching ever again.

Apply the same logic to ProTools: do not upgrade since it is stable and doesn't need any patching ever again.

Happy now?

One is never happy without a proper rant on KVR.

Well, i'll just post what i always post: If Avid wouldn't think the Windows 7 userbase was so small t hat it is neglectable, they wouldn't stop supporting Windows 7... why spend money and effort, if the userbase NOT using Windows 7 is so much bigger?

Or how about this: maybe AVID isn't doing so well and could use some "lube" from Microsoft?
Since Windows 7 is supported by Microsoft until 2020, I don't see any other reason why they would drop the support for it.

That's all pretty weird what you say, Zexila, since OS X is less efficient than Windows in every benchmark you can find on the net and in my experience. But I do recommend it to those who want to move on to W10...

Anyway, there are tons of software of every kind that works even on XP. Stick to it. It won't stop working just because there's a newer OS around.

[fedexnman]

Ain't nothing wrong with using old software on an old OS , especially if you are getting stuff done and are happy . To be honest sometimes it's better that way you can focus more on music instead of the latest VSTi or OS update or This plugin coming out. The old saying it ain't broke don't fix it. That being said Windows10 is fine and I'm in an older i7 920 system , I was fine with Windows7 but I couldn't pass up the free OS update . I wonder what is next for Microsoft really giving Windows10 away for free , still scratching my head over this . How is Microsoft gonna make money ?

[aciddose]

You would drop Win7 support for the same reasons you'd drop WinXP support: it's extra work to maintain backward compatibility when you want to rely on new OS features.

Win10 has many new features that will never be available to other versions. Win10 software will not work on Win7 or WinXP.

Most software today must be considered Win7 software, which does work on Win10 because it is backward compatible.

Win7 isn't "forward compatible" with new Win10 features. That's impossible. Time machine!

[fluffy_little_something]

I suppose MS are themselves pissed they are forced to support W7 two more years according to their own road map. W7 is a dead end, yet they still have to waste time and energy on it. And in the end W7 users will switch to W10, anyway.

Anyway, ProTools have probably not forced themselves to support W7 until some future date. So why should they waste their - compared to MS much more limited -
resources on it?

[chk071]

Let me get that straight... You do not want to upgrade your OS. It's stable and doesn't need patching ever again.

Apply the same logic to ProTools: do not upgrade since it is stable and doesn't need any patching ever again.

Happy now?

One is never happy without a proper rant on KVR.

Well, i'll just post what i always post: If Avid wouldn't think the Windows 7 userbase was so small t hat it is neglectable, they wouldn't stop supporting Windows 7... why spend money and effort, if the userbase NOT using Windows 7 is so much bigger?

Or how about this: maybe AVID isn't doing so well and could use some "lube" from Microsoft?
Since Windows 7 is supported by Microsoft until 2020, I don't see any other reason why they would drop the support for it.

Correction: One is never happy without a proper, unworldly conspiracy theory on KVR.

Well, seriously, i think that is as far fetched as it can get. Rather listen to developers like aciddose.

[THE INTRANCER]

If Avid think Window 7 users are going to jump onto Windows Spyware 10, to use their software, then they are delusional. Most of the world isn't interested in adopting spyware based operating systems.

[fluffy_little_something]

If Avid think Window 7 users are going to jump onto Windows Spyware 10, to use their software, then they are delusional. Most of the world isn't interested in adopting spyware based operating systems.

Most of the world doesn't really care anymore, they have given up the illusion of privacy and will eventually switch to W10.
Nor is there a real alternative as long as the Linux world is so limited.

[shidostrife]

If Avid think Window 7 users are going to jump onto Windows Spyware 10, to use their software, then they are delusional. Most of the world isn't interested in adopting spyware based operating systems.

Most of the world doesn't really care anymore, they have given up the illusion of privacy and will eventually switch to W10.
Nor is there a real alternative as long as the Linux world is so limited.

Exactly my reason to jump.

"Heck, Google already has all my data anyway. Microsoft having the same data in exchange for more futureproof OS won't hurt so bad."

And btw, the current Win 10 is much less of a spy compared to the initial release.

https://www.avg.com/en/signal/windows-1 ... ing-on-you

[chk071]

I'd really appreciate having discussions like these in HPC, where they belong to, because this is solely about politics. Especially because, if i would write what i would like to write, it would immediately turn into a hackfest, because one side thinks they actually own the one and only true and valid position. Let's just say that Windows 10 wouldn't have gotten nearly as much media coverage about the outrageous spyware measures, if they had hidden the EULA's from the user, like everyone else does, because everyone else does the same as Microsoft, especially Google and Apple. And let's also say (well, let ME also say) that the internet, and software "landscape" wouldn't be the same, as it would be without data collection, and evaluation. The problem with that is that there is a big "i want everything for free" attitude these days, which would be pretty incompatible with the way things would work, if we hadn't these "data suckers", because, you'd have to pay for every little step you take in the internet. Another problem is that, even if you would explain people that data collecting and evaluating is the only way to keep things free, or low cost, they wouldn't understand it, and shout "SPIES!!!", and still would want everything to be free.

Anyway, as i mentioned, discussions like these rather belong to HPC. I felt it necessary anyway, to post a bit of a different perspective. In general, i find there is too much one-dimensional (and always solely from a customer's view) judging about companies, which actually make things available for free. Noone likes adverts, or data collection to make the advertising more relevant, yet, i don't think that anyone would really prefer to have to pay for everything which is available for free now.

[pc999]

If people want stable OS I dont know why you dont demand for it to be ported to Linux, Debian Stable is the closer thing to what you ask for...

[jonljacobi]

You can have as much privacy as you want. Just pull the Ethernet cable and turn off the Wi-Fi. That said, you can turn off most of the W10 spy crap. The stuff you know about anyway.

BTW, read Google's privacy policy sometime if you want a good laugh.

[aciddose]

If people want stable OS I dont know why you dont demand for it to be ported to Linux, Debian Stable is the closer thing to what you ask for...

100% true.

If there is any motivation for people to drop Protools and move to another DAW like Reaper, Bitwig, or numerous other hosts that already have native Linux versions, they might as well do so on Win7 to test at first.

Once you are happy with your new DAW it's more a matter of plug-ins. Linux does not have any plug-ins available other than a small handful.

Xhip is already available for Linux. U-he's plug-ins are available as the most notable commercial ones. There are quite a few others and the reason I ported Xhip was that it had a port waaaay back in 2008!

Once other developers wake up, we should see far more Linux versions.

[Kinh]

I think people here are missing the point. What the op is implying is...WINDOWS 10 IS SHIT! which happens to be true. Win 10 is the modern day version of vista but far worse. Myerson is the worst thing that ever happened to microsoft and the sooner he gets the sword the better imo.

I feel sorry for new pt users and those who buy new computers as package deals knowing win7 is not an option.

[lfm]

Let me get that straight... You do not want to upgrade your OS. It's stable and doesn't need patching ever again.

Apply the same logic to ProTools: do not upgrade since it is stable and doesn't need any patching ever again.

Happy now?

One is never happy without a proper rant on KVR.

Well, i'll just post what i always post: If Avid wouldn't think the Windows 7 userbase was so small t hat it is neglectable, they wouldn't stop supporting Windows 7... why spend money and effort, if the userbase NOT using Windows 7 is so much bigger?

Probably how they reason - but remember Steinberg Halion 6 first dropped Windows 7 - and seems they had a riot over it - so they backed off.

That is also a story. Avid though has very small ears when it comes to their userbase.

A daw is nice to have maintained for bugs for sure - but biggest reason to upgrade is new features.

Just something weird about Windows 10 - how much they changed it.
I never ever had some software stop working due to updates on Windows - unheard of, for me at least. Not Windows 7, not XP, not 2000, not NT 4, not NT 3.51 or 95/98, not Windows 3.x. Not ever did existing software installed stopped working.

Former Gibson employee Anderton, a lot on Cakewalk forum - he had to reinstall audio drivers when there were a Windows 10 update.

One release of Nvidia drivers stopped working after an update, so Premiere elements did not start. Recommendation were to revert drivers to older version as workaround until Nvidia had even newer drivers out.

Steinberg forum - at least two threads how people had Syncrosoft authorizing stopped working - recommendation as workaround was to update if it was license databases or software itself - don't remember.

As I understand Home edition Windows 10 - will force updates.
Pro can delay some time, for a while.
Windows 10 Enterprise can choose whenever, as Windows 7?

Also heard about stopping services for Windows Update - I know I do on XP I am writing this on still.

But will something still force Windows 10 to stop working unless you go online and do all updates?
Some other clock about this in system?

When I feel I have the time to handle problems, every two months or so, I do updates on Windows 7. Only problem I had with Windows 7 was the updates themselves - I had to go online and lookup an upgrade for Windows Update services manually for some machines I did not upgrade for a year. Spent three days getting laptop and a desktop to actually do updates at all.

The bleeding updates - that's the problem. Not any security stuff they claim all this debackle is for.

[lfm]

You would drop Win7 support for the same reasons you'd drop WinXP support: it's extra work to maintain backward compatibility when you want to rely on new OS features.

Win10 has many new features that will never be available to other versions. Win10 software will not work on Win7 or WinXP.

Most software today must be considered Win7 software, which does work on Win10 because it is backward compatible.

Win7 isn't "forward compatible" with new Win10 features. That's impossible. Time machine!

It's one thing if 3rd party vendors drop Windows 7 when Microsoft do.
But this did not happend yet, so....

The problem with OS and computers it's so versatile, mostly over the top of what you need or asked for. I'm really looking for targeting a computer OS for the sole purpose you are to use it for.

I think I saw some software tool to disable services that are not needed - as for performance etc.

What came with Windows 8 - was it apps?
I don't need it.

Was it windows 2000 that had usb drivers as first OS?
I think I ran NT 4 at the time, and did not have access to usb ports, I think.
I upgraded MB that had usb.

But other than technology leaps of various sorts - are there any in windows 10 for daw users?

I think I read somethng about midi, and something about how Cubase new video engine did not extract audio from video yet for windows 7, some other technology there.

So at some point - dropping os version can be justified. But on beforehand much earlier, it's unfortunate, I think.

I'm still helping the guys I sold my software company to, and do development still. Only change I saw in Windows 10 for that was how messages by default were not send downstream to child windows - so some mouse events for mousewheel had some addition for Windows 10. In earlier Windows that were governed by WindowsClasses if to send to child windows or not. Overruled by Windows 10 it seems. So I had to do some changes for Windows 10 - since mousewheel stopped working.

I think Google did some things right about Android and API Levels. I read up a bit, since now some vital apps does not work unless upgrading to Android 5.x.

It's clearly stated what is added on API level for each version of Android. So an app can adapt to that - and use what it really needs.