Can you really handle the truth/critiques about your work?

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- seems like the operative part of "creative professional" there is the 'professional' which connotes doing a job where someone is paying you for the job. In which case you're going to have to 'take it' by definition.

There's other aspects to "creative" where fortunately one is free to tell everybody to f**k off
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jancivil wrote:- seems like the operative part of "creative professional" there is the 'professional' which connotes doing a job where someone is paying you for the job. In which case you're going to have to 'take it' by definition.

There's other aspects to "creative" where fortunately one is free to tell everybody to f**k off
:D
Sure, but often someone else will have insight into your work which you didn’t because you are too close to it. Learning to listen to and accept criticism is mostly a matter of maturity. If I’m making music for myself and someone points out that my mix really sucks because my hearing is shot, I’m not going to go off and pout because I’m a temperamental artist type and my artistic vision was challenged. We’re always free to accept or reject feedback, but it doesn’t hurt to at least listen.
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I seek for "truth", but let's get over it - most of random people have no idea about music quality, especially on the specific genre the trance is. They can simply say they like it or not, but it's nowhere related to production quality. The only valuable feedback I can get is from other producers, especially experienced in same genre.
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On a related note, there's a surprising amount of truth to the saying that an artist is their own worst critic. I can barely tolerate listening to my older work, or even some of my newer stuff for that matter. For what it's worth, though, I like to think that my music essentially reflects my development as a musician and, more importantly, as a human being.

At the end of the day, music is a subjective matter. If someone curses my music to the deepest pits of Hell, I strive to take it with a grain of salt. Even if someone provides constructive criticism about my music, I still strive to take it with a grain of salt. Ultimately, they're just opinions.
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Valid criticism of ChordwarePA features would make an interesting thread - being an advanced Midi standalone - and I'd welcome it.

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Folks in this thread are welcome to give me POSITIVE feedback about my tunes.

Positive.

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It depends on the work - if it is a design job, like say sound design for theatre or a composition for film - then I have no problem at all with criticism, the whole idea is to produce a piece that fits with entire work the team is trying to produce. Generally with design the process goes like this - you make something that fits the brief as you see it, what youproduced gets critiqued and changes are suggested. You feel a little hurt and defensive because you put a big effort in. Then you get over that and change what you have made according to both the criticism and your own creative response to that criticism. The quicker you can move from defensive and hurt to how do I make this better, the happier you will be, the more work you will get, and most times the better that work will be in the context of the project as a whole. A good response time is about 1- 5 secs from defensive to positive.

As far as my more personal work goes - I've been doing this for 40 years, I love me some praise but if someone doesn't like what I do aesthetically I really don't care that much. Though technical help - genuine constructive criticism from an informed perspective - is like gold, I love it.

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deastman wrote:
jancivil wrote:- seems like the operative part of "creative professional" there is the 'professional' which connotes doing a job where someone is paying you for the job. In which case you're going to have to 'take it' by definition.

There's other aspects to "creative" where fortunately one is free to tell everybody to f**k off
:D
Sure, but often someone else will have insight into your work which you didn’t because you are too close to it. Learning to listen to and accept criticism is mostly a matter of maturity. If I’m making music for myself and someone points out that my mix really sucks because my hearing is shot, I’m not going to go off and pout because I’m a temperamental artist type and my artistic vision was challenged. We’re always free to accept or reject feedback, but it doesn’t hurt to at least listen.
I chose being lighthearted about it. :shrug:
Me, I woodshedded like a mad person to get into a situation where it was all criticism all the time. And rapid growth that wouldn't have happened left to my own devices in my home town.

There is a definite difference between things which can possibly be corrected or problems eliminated, such as when one person pointed out some distortion 'sounded like digital clipping', where it was absolutely a clipped result, only it didn't really bother me. So why not, yeah it was possibly too ugly for too many people at this moment in the track. Then again one can ruin a file heeding advice and being insecure. A fine line...

I don't think much of people advising someone on their idea unless they are asking specifically for that, which I never did, I knew what I had even early.

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jancivil wrote:
deastman wrote:
jancivil wrote:- seems like the operative part of "creative professional" there is the 'professional' which connotes doing a job where someone is paying you for the job. In which case you're going to have to 'take it' by definition.

There's other aspects to "creative" where fortunately one is free to tell everybody to f**k off
:D
Sure, but often someone else will have insight into your work which you didn’t because you are too close to it. Learning to listen to and accept criticism is mostly a matter of maturity. If I’m making music for myself and someone points out that my mix really sucks because my hearing is shot, I’m not going to go off and pout because I’m a temperamental artist type and my artistic vision was challenged. We’re always free to accept or reject feedback, but it doesn’t hurt to at least listen.
I chose being lighthearted about it. :shrug:
Me, I woodshedded like a mad person to get into a situation where it was all criticism all the time. And rapid growth that wouldn't have happened left to my own devices in my home town.

There is a definite difference between things which can possibly be corrected or problems eliminated, such as when one person pointed out some distortion 'sounded like digital clipping', where it was absolutely a clipped result, only it didn't really bother me. So why not, yeah it was possibly too ugly for too many people at this moment in the track. Then again one can ruin a file heeding advice and being insecure. A fine line...

I don't think much of people advising someone on their idea unless they are asking specifically for that, which I never did, I knew what I had even early.

that's the thing, if you happen to disagree with one persons critique, people think you cant take criticism.
no, i just disagree with that persons idea of what "i" was aiming for.
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Zexila wrote:Some of us think we could and some even ask for it, but than fall apart when we get some "negative" ones, showing we really can't take it, calling other names and implying hate, lies and whatever. But what if person was dead sincere and things he said is just the naked truth, can you really handle the truth?
Hell Yeah....bring it!

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I find it's often difficult to get honest feedback. Most people can't be bothered, or don't want to risk offending, etc. So, I always try to be a source of honest feedback/critique for others. If you find someone who can give you good honest feedback, hang onto them; they're very valuable.

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Zexila wrote:..fall apart..
That's me.

Honest and technical " it'd work better this way" is ok but some "I don't like it" or "sounds crap" kinda makes me to avoid even opening my DAW for around 6 months :lol:

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If the realm is freaking Internet, anything can happen.

I'm sure, in the real world, it's a bit different, no one has ever told me something I can't bear, except, unfortunately, person that doesn't respect another's work, I mean any work, be that a sculpture, artwork or whatever. But that is a rare case. Avoid such people.

I search for nice people. There are. You can listen to them

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