A Good All-Round Reverb Plug-in

[Zexila]

Glad you took my comment in the spirit intended. It was certainly not to mock you.

I know, all good my friend and fellow Logic user.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

You might be misunderstanding what I think of Valhalla reverbs.

Well, some time back you were mocking me for mentioning that I thought they were good quality, so...

I don't remember the conversation really, but they've never made the cut for any of my purchases and I still don't think that they're in the top as compared to the reverbs that I think are there. That's probably what I was saying. The general concensus is that they are good, but not stellar They didn't make the cut above compare to, e.g., lexicon in both rounds. That's not quite significant data, but we're getting there.

I should say though, they are decent reverbs and given a different set of circumstances I might have ended up with them. I also have immense respect for Sean and some part of my dislike could certainly be attributed to taste. I'm not really a fan of the Bricast sound either, so there's that.

On the strength of that 'conversation', I did try to find what I was actually missing out on. Turned out it was nothing. Well, not nothing. I did end up getting B2, which really did provide something I was after. However, it's too cpu-heavy to be my go-to. So, I still run with the Valhalla's and Space Designer.

As for being "good, but not stellar". I'm not sure that I have ever heard people talking of Sean's 'verbs as stellar, but I definitely believe the general consensus to surpass "good"

Of course, price has to be factored into the equation, as does the idea of diminishing returns. Most people are fine with getting 90% of the way there, for $50, rather than spend thousands chasing down the last 10%. Of course, there are surely people for whom a $50 investment is as close to 100% as they're likely ever going to tell. And I think I'm in that camp.

I also think that what I want from a reverb might be different than others, though I'm sure I'm not alone.

Having spent quite a few years of my life in bands, rehearsing in empty halls, empty classrooms (Empty, save for all the reflective wooden desks), empty churches etc. reverb/reflections etc were once the bane of my existence. And much like the engineers who avoid tape emulation like the plague ("Why would I want to add noise to my recordings when I spent decades trying to rid my recordings of the stuff!!??"), I still get a bit sweaty when I hear certain 'well-modeled' spaces.

I want ambience. I want space around my instruments. What I don't want is sound bouncing/delaying off perfectly calculated walls. To this end, I tend to keep pre-delay mostly all the way down, I tend to really dial back the modulation, I'll eq out much of the low and low-mid frequencies, and I'll keep the mix/send very low. So really, this kinda levels most reverbs for me.

When I do want reverb to show, it's usually a more special effect deal i.e huge tails. And what I hear in the tails of B2 makes it my choice over VDSP's plugs for such sound design.

[Andrew Souter]

The real question is: who's gonna win: England or Croatia??

[martinjuenke]

The game will be a Breeze…

[Andrew Souter]

For which team?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

The real question is: who's gonna win: England or Croatia??

Whoah! England are still in it?

[GrabtharsHammer]

Brexit pt. I

[codec_spurt]

Only one mention of Valhalla in a reverb thread?

Valhalla is great. I've got Room, Vintage, Plate, UberMod.

But there was something bugging me with them all. Couldn't put my finger on it. Then BManic nailed it for me. They have some kind of frequency thing going on in the upper mid range. Or thereabouts.

It's not something you can correct for by doing Abbey Road Reverb tricks or cutting or boosting before or after the event. It's built in and ingrained to the sound of the reverb itself. It's very subtle. Most people wouldn't notice it. BManic did. I did too. Not many others have.

It may be that we got it wrong.

But when I got that really cheap Lexicon on offer a while back, it was like a whole new world opening up. Talking years ago now. It just didn't have that frequency bump in that range. This is a low end one, not the high-end Lexicons.

Still, I love all my Valhallas. They are absolutely incredible reverbs for the money. I'll never sell them. I've even bought a few preset packs for one or two of them. I'm nitpicking here.

For a good all round reverb, a man wouldn't go wrong with either Valhalla Room, Vintage Verb or Plate. Each of them far more versatile and ready to use than the low-end Lexicons I have, or any other reverb really.

We are spoiled to death these days. I used to be a big Valhalla critic before I ended up buying just about everything he has done.

[ghettosynth]

Having spent quite a few years of my life in bands, rehearsing in empty halls, empty classrooms (Empty, save for all the reflective wooden desks), empty churches etc. reverb/reflections etc were once the bane of my existence. And much like the engineers who avoid tape emulation like the plague ("Why would I want to add noise to my recordings when I spent decades trying to rid my recordings of the stuff!!??"), I still get a bit sweaty when I hear certain 'well-modeled' spaces.

I want ambience. I want space around my instruments. ... I tend to really dial back the modulation, I'll eq out much of the low and low-mid frequencies, and I'll keep the mix/send very low. So really, this kinda levels most reverbs for me.

When I do want reverb to show, it's usually a more special effect deal i.e huge tails. And what I hear in the tails of B2 makes it my choice over VDSP's plugs for such sound design.

Yeah, I hear you. If you get a chance, demo the Lexicon PCM series or Verb 3. I also find that I tend to like good IR reverbs as well. I think that Reverberate 2 is a must have, but, I also like Waves IR1 (not IRL) which goes on sale often enough for $29.

[Fleer]

Only one mention of Valhalla in a reverb thread?

Valhalla is great. I've got Room, Vintage, Plate, UberMod.

But there was something bugging me with them all. Couldn't put my finger on it. Then BManic nailed it for me. They have some kind of frequency thing going on in the upper mid range. Or thereabouts.

It's not something you can correct for by doing Abbey Road Reverb tricks or cutting or boosting before or after the event. It's built in and ingrained to the sound of the reverb itself. It's very subtle. Most people wouldn't notice it. BManic did. I did too. Not many others have.

It may be that we got it wrong.

But when I got that really cheap Lexicon on offer a while back, it was like a whole new world opening up. Talking years ago now. It just didn't have that frequency bump in that range. This is a low end one, not the high-end Lexicons.

Still, I love all my Valhallas. They are absolutely incredible reverbs for the money. I'll never sell them. I've even bought a few preset packs for one or two of them. I'm nitpicking here.

For a good all round reverb, a man wouldn't go wrong with either Valhalla Room, Vintage Verb or Plate. Each of them far more versatile and ready to use than the low-end Lexicons I have, or any other reverb really.

We are spoiled to death these days. I used to be a big Valhalla critic before I ended up buying just about everything he has done.

Love my Valhalla’s too, but will always use FabFilter Pro-R as my all-round reverb.

[strovoknights]

Xenoverb is great.
Xenoverb is all rounder and it's possible making beautiful sounds.

It has 10 Algorithms:
ROOM, HALL, PLATE 1, PLATE 2, SPRINGY, GLASS,
FLOW, SHIMMER, FORMANT.

[MogwaiBoy]

Brexit pt. I

Sovereingty for England

[LeVzi]

The one I would use as a good all rounder is Poor Plate by Vacuumsound. I find I use a lot, just sounds so nice.

http://www.nullmedium.de/dev/audioplugins/

[martinjuenke]

Logic Pro X Space Designer covers everything

[ghettosynth]

The one I would use as a good all rounder is Poor Plate by Vacuumsound. I find I use a lot, just sounds so nice.

http://www.nullmedium.de/dev/audioplugins/

But it cannot be an "all rounder," by definition. I'm not criticizing it, it's a nice little free plate emulation and I even like simple plugins with no U/I, but, it's just a plate emulation and it sounding good to you is not sufficient for it to be useful in modeling spaces.

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... ght-reverb

The early part of real-life reverberation in larger spaces comprises a number of discrete reflections that are clearly audible before the dense reverb tail builds up. However, a reverb plate produces a very dense sound very quickly, and has no discernable early reflections. Because early reflections are fundamental in conveying a sense of room type to the listener, the plate is somewhat devoid of spatial character insomuch as it doesn't suggest any particular type of acoustic space, but in a musical context this can be an advantage, as we often use reverb as a musical effect, and not to create the illusion of a specific type of room or hall.

Plate reverbs in general don't have early reflections which are what conveys the size of a space. In particular, this reverb does not so it is not a general reverb.