A Good All-Round Reverb Plug-in

[e@rs]

The general consensus is that they are good, but not stellar

KVR knows better, yet people like FKA Twigs, Black Sun Empire, Chicane and Chvrches are happy with Valhalla reverbs...

(Please don't take it personally!)

LOL, why would I? Of course they're happy, Valhalla makes fine products. That's really cute BTW! I don't know what else to say, hagiography just isn't my thing and as much as I dig that one track that's in Forza Horizon 3, I wouldn't be asking her royal cuteness for any technical advice. You should probably choose better idols if you want to sway my opinion, although, +1 for cuteness!

This particular band we're talking about (I intentionally left it the last) is far from being among my idols, but are you aware that it also includes 2 blokes that actually know the tech side of things?

My point was that any of the above (famous) names could have picked ANY reverb on this planet, yet they chose Sean's stuff (ignoring the 'stellar' ones).

[chk071]

The general consensus is that they are good, but not stellar

KVR knows better, yet people like FKA Twigs, Black Sun Empire, Chicane and Chvrches are happy with Valhalla reverbs...

What exactly does that prove, except for artists also using not stellar plugins? Most of them used all sort of crap during their career. Not that Valhalla's reverbs ARE crap. But, i'd agree that they're not stellar. And massively overhyped here, probably mostly because of the price point, and the attitude of the developer.

[e@rs]

^That being 'stellar' or just 'good' doesn't actually matter in the end.

[chk071]

Dunno. If it's "stellar", you won't even have to do much.

But, frankly, i don't want to discuss it to death. If it works for you or others, hey, cool. Never did for me (i havd VRoom and VVV), so i moved on. Exponential Audio R2, for example, which has a similar character to VVV, worked much better for me. And the Eventide verbs are my main work horses, while i even rather reach out more for Blackhole than for UltraReverb, simply because it's "that sound" for spacey pad sounds, and works so well with them.

[andymcbain]

...nope.

Misread your email - you're *already* having a sale! My bad.

There will be a FREE minor update to Breeze 2 shortly however with a few extra enhancements. A couple extra DSP/sound features, plus additional enhancements to our new fancy GUI system to make it even prettier.

Can't bloomin wait!

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

If you get a chance, demo the Lexicon PCM series or Verb 3. I also find that I tend to like good IR reverbs as well. I think that Reverberate 2 is a must have, but, I also like Waves IR1 (not IRL) which goes on sale often enough for $29.

I'm curious as to which part of what I have written leads you to think that I want to throw 500-600 on yet another reverb And although IR1 doesn't need such an investment, I am about to dump all Waves plugs from my life

Thanks for the recommendations, but I really can't throw much more money at a hobby that seems to have all-but-died quite a few years ago

[ghettosynth]

The general consensus is that they are good, but not stellar

KVR knows better, yet people like FKA Twigs, Black Sun Empire, Chicane and Chvrches are happy with Valhalla reverbs...

(Please don't take it personally!)

LOL, why would I? Of course they're happy, Valhalla makes fine products. That's really cute BTW! I don't know what else to say, hagiography just isn't my thing and as much as I dig that one track that's in Forza Horizon 3, I wouldn't be asking her royal cuteness for any technical advice. You should probably choose better idols if you want to sway my opinion, although, +1 for cuteness!

This particular band we're talking about (I intentionally left it the last) is far from being among my idols, but are you aware that it also includes 2 blokes that actually know the tech side of things?

My point was that any of the above (famous) names could have picked ANY reverb on this planet, yet they chose Sean's stuff (ignoring the 'stellar' ones).

You're missing MY point. There are many reasons why an artist will choose a tool and technical merit is only some part of that. Maybe they prefer the coloration of "good but not stellar" reverbs? Such recommendations mean nothing, particularly Chvrches. Sorry, "knows the technical side of things" is a meaningless statement out of context. I have no barometer by which to measure their endorsements and, for me, it's a waste of time to try. Famous carries no weight with me, as again, there are many reasons for that.

If that means something to you, great, it in no way negates my perception or the general consensus. I would far sooner take the opinions of the two people in the shootout above, both of whom rejected Valhalla in lieu of what are, by general consensus, considered stellar reverbs.

So, at minimum, you would have some reference of them discussing reverbs in context, as was done above and even then, I'm going to judge the technical analysis, as I did above.

[ghettosynth]

If you get a chance, demo the Lexicon PCM series or Verb 3. I also find that I tend to like good IR reverbs as well. I think that Reverberate 2 is a must have, but, I also like Waves IR1 (not IRL) which goes on sale often enough for $29.

I'm curious as to which part of what I have written leads you to think that I want to throw 500-600 on yet another reverb

I'm curious about which part of what have written makes you think I actually care about what you spend money on? The point of my advice was so that you can compare for yourself and have a go at listening for what other people are talking about. After all, you are here arguing that your preferences define good and that you're not missing anything, no?

Thanks for the recommendations, but I really can't throw much more money at a hobby that seems to have all-but-died quite a few years ago

I said demo them, not necessarily buy them. I often demo things that are expensive and I can't afford. I want to bound the differences so that I know what I'm missing.

[Sparky77]

Breeze 2 seems to be the new leader.

[ghettosynth]

^That being 'stellar' or just 'good' doesn't actually matter in the end.

I think that it's VERY much like the arguments that are often made for quality in other matters, e.g., piano sounds. It depends highly on context. In a busy pop arrangement, perhaps not, then again, if you can hear the difference at all, you really can't say whether someone else can perceive that difference in context.

Does the difference between an good vocal mic and a stellar vocal mic matter? What about mic pres, what about everything else in the chain? In the end, we can record an album with an SM57 and just the tools that come with a DAW, that doesn't mean that we don't get something out of using stellar tools

Also, is the "end" the actual point of concern? Or is it the process? If you can hear the difference between a good reverb and a stellar reverb while you're tracking, will that affect your playing?

[e@rs]

^Whatever, man! I'm not here to argue, in the end it's just reverb and everybody hears it more or less differently [as seen in that (funny) World-Cup video].

And I just wanna add that Morcheeba also uses Valhalla (Plate).

[ghettosynth]

^Whatever, man! I'm not here to argue, in the end it's just reverb and everybody hears it more or less differently [as seen in that (funny) World-Cup video].

But you did though and you didn't just accept my rejection of what you felt was valid. If you don't want to argue, then don't argue, no? As far as that video, no, I think that there isn't enough data to support your claim. I suspect that with enough data some patterns would emerge and we're already starting to see that in that very simple experiment.

[Acknowledgement]

But, i'd agree that they're not stellar.

Not sure I'd agree. When it comes to pricing, I've learned that it doesn't mean much in plugin world. Klanghelm and TDR plugins are much cheaper than UAD plugins or some others, yet I prefer those over much more expensive alternatives more often than not.

Also, I had the chance to work with a wonderful, well-maintained EMT 140 several times and Valhalla Plate was the only plate plugin that came close to that sound. Just my 2¢

[martinjuenke]

^Whatever, man! I'm not here to argue, in the end it's just reverb and everybody hears it more or less differently [as seen in that (funny) World-Cup video].

And I just wanna add that Morcheeba also uses Valhalla (Plate).

A Computer Music reader has outed himself!

[liv]

Hi Folks,

I've been reading up on various approaches to reverb in mixing. Seems that a common approach is to use three reverbs - a short "ambience" to put the sound in a space, a medium-length, bright reverb (usually a plate) for sounds at the front of the soundstage, and a large, hall-type reverb for sounds in the background.

What I'm wondering is, is there a good-quality reverb plug-in that can do all these? From what I've seen, most reverb plug-ins do one thing well - either rooms or plates but there's not many that do these two and ambiences.

At this stage I'm thinking that TSAR-1, PhoenixVerb and possibly Flux Verb Session 3 can provide all of these. Are there any others?

I like NI RC-24 and RC-48.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... -classics/