I'll let it go cause deep down I love you, and don't wanna see you squirm!EnochLight wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:04 pmIt's no less true than the need for proper 4K support in Reason, really.Psuper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:01 pmThe "end" would be validity for your statement and prove my initial response to Propellerhead invalid.EnochLight wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:51 pmTo what end? Judging from our "need for proper 4K support" discussion earlier, there is nothing to be gained.Psuper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:31 pm What threads? RT is still around and nothing had been deleted -- link them.
Specifically point out to me the masses who "bitched" about 10 being so close to 9. 5. Talked about sure, but I don't recall anyone going "Oh nooo please don't make meaningful releases as soon as you are able to."
You lashed out at me for a valid observation. you then backed it up with:Which we both know is not true.EnochLight wrote: I can remember threads where people bitched a ton about 10 being so close to 9.5 - and that wasn't even taking into consideration the flack given for what was included in 10 at launch. I remember you being part of some of those threads, so you acting like that wasn't the case is troubling.
Reason 10.2 is out!
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- KVRian
- 729 posts since 3 May, 2018
Have you tried Vital?
- KVRAF
- 2288 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
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- Banned
- 1583 posts since 19 Aug, 2011
Of course it can. It’s about how much money you’ve got to spend.Psuper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:08 pmYa sure, because quality can only be determined by the length of time between upgrades, 18 months specifically. You are a minority.lachrimae wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:04 pmWrong. I never like to see a paid upgrade for software in less than 18 mos. If I notice that a company withholds highly sought-after features for paid upgrades I'm less likely to support them in the long-term... but when I see a dev release those features on point releases I have more desire to support them even if the eventual paid upgrade is not as sexy (e.g. Reaper). It's a matter of good will on both sides.
Ans «solid» and «meaningful» to you, probably isn’t the same for me, or many others.
Reason users...
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- KVRian
- 729 posts since 3 May, 2018
Do you listen to yourself? You just agreed with me and don't even realize it.BMoore wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:46 pmOf course it can. It’s about how much money you’ve got to spend.Psuper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:08 pmYa sure, because quality can only be determined by the length of time between upgrades, 18 months specifically. You are a minority.lachrimae wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:04 pmWrong. I never like to see a paid upgrade for software in less than 18 mos. If I notice that a company withholds highly sought-after features for paid upgrades I'm less likely to support them in the long-term... but when I see a dev release those features on point releases I have more desire to support them even if the eventual paid upgrade is not as sexy (e.g. Reaper). It's a matter of good will on both sides.
Ans «solid» and «meaningful» to you, probably isn’t the same for me, or many others.
Reason users...
Have you tried Vital?
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- KVRian
- 729 posts since 3 May, 2018
- Banned
- 1583 posts since 19 Aug, 2011
Uh, no.Psuper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:09 pmDo you listen to yourself? You just agreed with me and don't even realize it.BMoore wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:46 pmOf course it can. It’s about how much money you’ve got to spend.Psuper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:08 pmYa sure, because quality can only be determined by the length of time between upgrades, 18 months specifically. You are a minority.lachrimae wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:04 pmWrong. I never like to see a paid upgrade for software in less than 18 mos. If I notice that a company withholds highly sought-after features for paid upgrades I'm less likely to support them in the long-term... but when I see a dev release those features on point releases I have more desire to support them even if the eventual paid upgrade is not as sexy (e.g. Reaper). It's a matter of good will on both sides.
Ans «solid» and «meaningful» to you, probably isn’t the same for me, or many others.
Reason users...
Cats are intended to teach us that not everything in nature has a function | http://soundcloud.com/bmoorebeats
- Banned
- 1583 posts since 19 Aug, 2011
Yeah, it was the Props fault
Cats are intended to teach us that not everything in nature has a function | http://soundcloud.com/bmoorebeats
- KVRAF
- 2288 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
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- KVRAF
- 2338 posts since 28 Feb, 2015
So the subscription plan didn't work out so well I guess.EnochLight wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:08 pm Soooo... slightly related, but this just happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAaTlhq-cgI
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- KVRian
- 892 posts since 27 Oct, 2004 from Inside the kick drum
I love rent to own. Using Splice all the time. Do Prop's this to the Reason itself, so people can try it on impulse buy and test it out Reason more "properly". If it doesn't click, just cancel the subscription. Easy.
- KVRAF
- 2288 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
Yeah, I like it too - I've used Splice before. About actual Reason as a RTO product, I suggested this over at Reasontalk:
In my example, for $9.99/month you basically get all future versions of Reason up until it's paid off. After that, you switch to the standard "buy an upgrade when the features bring value to you" that we currently do now.It would be cool to expand this to the full version of Reason itself. But since paying $9.99/month would take people 40 months to pay off (assuming Reason is $399), they should include free upgrades to any version of Reason up to that point (month 40). Then, once it's paid off, you own it free and clear like any other version (and hence, are subject to buying full-version upgrades after month 40).
Win 10 | Ableton Live 11 Suite | Reason 12 | i7 3770 @ 3.5 Ghz | 16 GB RAM | RME Babyface Pro| Akai MPC Live II & Akai Force | Roland System 8 | Roland TR-8 with 7x7 Expansion | Roland TB-3 | Roland MX-1 | Dreadbox Typhon | Korg Minilogue XD
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- KVRist
- 30 posts since 28 Jul, 2015
Oh wow, that'd be a fantastic idea.EnochLight wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:38 pmIn my example, for $9.99/month you basically get all future versions of Reason up until it's paid off. After that, you switch to the standard "buy an upgrade when the features bring value to you" that we currently do now.It would be cool to expand this to the full version of Reason itself. But since paying $9.99/month would take people 40 months to pay off (assuming Reason is $399), they should include free upgrades to any version of Reason up to that point (month 40). Then, once it's paid off, you own it free and clear like any other version (and hence, are subject to buying full-version upgrades after month 40).
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- KVRian
- 511 posts since 15 Dec, 2012 from Waunakee, Wiscompton
I think it didn’t really benefit the developers as much to rent, so I didn’t really look to closely into it. I may take a closer look at a RTO model, assuming that other developers join in on this model. Right now it is ONLY PH’s products as RTO options.starflakeprj wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:18 pm So the subscription plan didn't work out so well I guess.
FWIW, it was an insta-rent to get Serum when Splice came out with their RTO option for Serum. I don’t think I EVER would have bought Serum any other way, so Xferrecords scored $189 from me when they wouldn’t have otherwise for such an “expensive synth.*” I’m sure I’m not the only one in that situation.
On a sad note, despite having Serum now for what, 3 years since Splice made Serum available... I’ve barely used it.
* = I don’t hesitate to spend $200+ on hardware synths, but I don’t have any VSTi’s that I’ve spent more than $75 on.