Reason 10.2 is out!

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EnochLight
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1053 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Detroit, MI

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:04 am

Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:01 am
EnochLight wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:51 am
Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:31 am
What threads? RT is still around and nothing had been deleted -- link them.

Specifically point out to me the masses who "bitched" about 10 being so close to 9. 5. Talked about sure, but I don't recall anyone going "Oh nooo please don't make meaningful releases as soon as you are able to."
To what end? Judging from our "need for proper 4K support" discussion earlier, there is nothing to be gained.
The "end" would be validity for your statement and prove my initial response to Propellerhead invalid.

You lashed out at me for a valid observation. you then backed it up with:
EnochLight wrote: I can remember threads where people bitched a ton about 10 being so close to 9.5 - and that wasn't even taking into consideration the flack given for what was included in 10 at launch. I remember you being part of some of those threads, so you acting like that wasn't the case is troubling.
Which we both know is not true.
It's no less true than the need for proper 4K support in Reason, really. :party:
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Psuper
KVRist
82 posts since 3 May, 2018

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:08 am

EnochLight wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:04 am
Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:01 am
EnochLight wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:51 am
Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:31 am
What threads? RT is still around and nothing had been deleted -- link them.

Specifically point out to me the masses who "bitched" about 10 being so close to 9. 5. Talked about sure, but I don't recall anyone going "Oh nooo please don't make meaningful releases as soon as you are able to."
To what end? Judging from our "need for proper 4K support" discussion earlier, there is nothing to be gained.
The "end" would be validity for your statement and prove my initial response to Propellerhead invalid.

You lashed out at me for a valid observation. you then backed it up with:
EnochLight wrote: I can remember threads where people bitched a ton about 10 being so close to 9.5 - and that wasn't even taking into consideration the flack given for what was included in 10 at launch. I remember you being part of some of those threads, so you acting like that wasn't the case is troubling.
Which we both know is not true.
It's no less true than the need for proper 4K support in Reason, really. :party:
I'll let it go cause deep down I love you, and don't wanna see you squirm! :love:
Reason needs to DAW: Props develop the back-end, SDK, performance, options, GUI (no one else can). RE devs develop the now-expanding playground, we choose the rides. If Props insists on making devices, put them in the RE shop. All problems solved.

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EnochLight
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1053 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Detroit, MI

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:19 am

Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:08 am
I'll let it go cause deep down I love you, and don't wanna see you squirm! :love:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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BMoore
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1543 posts since 19 Aug, 2011

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:46 am

Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:08 am
lachrimae wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:04 am
Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:10 am
every person here would buy it a month after, if it was a solid upgrade. Don't pretend we don't want meaningful paid upgrades immediately- we all do and we don't give a crap how 'soon' it comes out. time isn't a factor for us, but certainly is for you.
Wrong. I never like to see a paid upgrade for software in less than 18 mos. If I notice that a company withholds highly sought-after features for paid upgrades I'm less likely to support them in the long-term... but when I see a dev release those features on point releases I have more desire to support them even if the eventual paid upgrade is not as sexy (e.g. Reaper). It's a matter of good will on both sides.
Ya sure, because quality can only be determined by the length of time between upgrades, 18 months specifically. You are a minority.
Of course it can. It’s about how much money you’ve got to spend.
Ans «solid» and «meaningful» to you, probably isn’t the same for me, or many others.

Reason users...
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Psuper
KVRist
82 posts since 3 May, 2018

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:09 am

BMoore wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:46 am
Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:08 am
lachrimae wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:04 am
Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:10 am
every person here would buy it a month after, if it was a solid upgrade. Don't pretend we don't want meaningful paid upgrades immediately- we all do and we don't give a crap how 'soon' it comes out. time isn't a factor for us, but certainly is for you.
Wrong. I never like to see a paid upgrade for software in less than 18 mos. If I notice that a company withholds highly sought-after features for paid upgrades I'm less likely to support them in the long-term... but when I see a dev release those features on point releases I have more desire to support them even if the eventual paid upgrade is not as sexy (e.g. Reaper). It's a matter of good will on both sides.
Ya sure, because quality can only be determined by the length of time between upgrades, 18 months specifically. You are a minority.
Of course it can. It’s about how much money you’ve got to spend.
Ans «solid» and «meaningful» to you, probably isn’t the same for me, or many others.

Reason users...
Do you listen to yourself? You just agreed with me and don't even realize it.
Reason needs to DAW: Props develop the back-end, SDK, performance, options, GUI (no one else can). RE devs develop the now-expanding playground, we choose the rides. If Props insists on making devices, put them in the RE shop. All problems solved.

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Tronam
KVRAF
1619 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:31 am

If only the old PH forums still existed, then we could *really* revel in the toxicity like the good old days.

EnGee
KVRAF
4955 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:56 am

:lol:
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Psuper
KVRist
82 posts since 3 May, 2018

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:16 pm

Tronam wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:31 am
If only the old PH forums still existed, then we could *really* revel in the toxicity like the good old days.
Don't get me started on the old PH forums... you don't want me chiming in on that fail from props...
Reason needs to DAW: Props develop the back-end, SDK, performance, options, GUI (no one else can). RE devs develop the now-expanding playground, we choose the rides. If Props insists on making devices, put them in the RE shop. All problems solved.

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BMoore
KVRAF
1543 posts since 19 Aug, 2011

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:55 pm

Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:09 am
BMoore wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:46 am
Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:08 am
lachrimae wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:04 am
Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:10 am
every person here would buy it a month after, if it was a solid upgrade. Don't pretend we don't want meaningful paid upgrades immediately- we all do and we don't give a crap how 'soon' it comes out. time isn't a factor for us, but certainly is for you.
Wrong. I never like to see a paid upgrade for software in less than 18 mos. If I notice that a company withholds highly sought-after features for paid upgrades I'm less likely to support them in the long-term... but when I see a dev release those features on point releases I have more desire to support them even if the eventual paid upgrade is not as sexy (e.g. Reaper). It's a matter of good will on both sides.
Ya sure, because quality can only be determined by the length of time between upgrades, 18 months specifically. You are a minority.
Of course it can. It’s about how much money you’ve got to spend.
Ans «solid» and «meaningful» to you, probably isn’t the same for me, or many others.

Reason users...
Do you listen to yourself? You just agreed with me and don't even realize it.
Uh, no.
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BMoore
KVRAF
1543 posts since 19 Aug, 2011

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:57 pm

Psuper wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:16 pm
Tronam wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:31 am
If only the old PH forums still existed, then we could *really* revel in the toxicity like the good old days.
Don't get me started on the old PH forums... you don't want me chiming in on that fail from props...
Yeah, it was the Props fault :lol:
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EnochLight
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1053 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Detroit, MI

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:08 am

Soooo... slightly related, but this just happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAaTlhq-cgI
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starflakeprj
KVRian
836 posts since 28 Feb, 2015

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:18 am

EnochLight wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:08 am
Soooo... slightly related, but this just happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAaTlhq-cgI
So the subscription plan didn't work out so well I guess.
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keel
KVRian
708 posts since 27 Oct, 2004 from Inside the kick drum

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:22 am

I love rent to own. Using Splice all the time. Do Prop's this to the Reason itself, so people can try it on impulse buy and test it out Reason more "properly". If it doesn't click, just cancel the subscription. Easy.

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EnochLight
KVRian
1053 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Detroit, MI

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:38 pm

keel wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:22 am
I love rent to own. Using Splice all the time. Do Prop's this to the Reason itself, so people can try it on impulse buy and test it out Reason more "properly". If it doesn't click, just cancel the subscription. Easy.
Yeah, I like it too - I've used Splice before. About actual Reason as a RTO product, I suggested this over at Reasontalk:
It would be cool to expand this to the full version of Reason itself. But since paying $9.99/month would take people 40 months to pay off (assuming Reason is $399), they should include free upgrades to any version of Reason up to that point (month 40). Then, once it's paid off, you own it free and clear like any other version (and hence, are subject to buying full-version upgrades after month 40).
In my example, for $9.99/month you basically get all future versions of Reason up until it's paid off. After that, you switch to the standard "buy an upgrade when the features bring value to you" that we currently do now.
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esselfortium
KVRer
12 posts since 28 Jul, 2015

Re: Reason 10.2 is out!

Post Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:38 pm

EnochLight wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:38 pm
It would be cool to expand this to the full version of Reason itself. But since paying $9.99/month would take people 40 months to pay off (assuming Reason is $399), they should include free upgrades to any version of Reason up to that point (month 40). Then, once it's paid off, you own it free and clear like any other version (and hence, are subject to buying full-version upgrades after month 40).
In my example, for $9.99/month you basically get all future versions of Reason up until it's paid off. After that, you switch to the standard "buy an upgrade when the features bring value to you" that we currently do now.
Oh wow, that'd be a fantastic idea.

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