Hive update plan

[zvenx]

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I can not believe we're having this discussion.

Indeed, but as someone else said here.
You can't please everyone.
rsp

[Stollmeister]

Buchla / west coast ideas for Hive?! I didn’t see that coming. Cool! I have always put off buying Hive because I have figured I could do the same things in Zebra (and I am faster in Zebra than any other synth), but maybe I will have to reconsider.

[spunkmuffin]

I'm thrilled to bits at the direction Hive is taking. Never expected Hive to become this. Urs won't be able to control this monster. This is the FRANKENHIVE! Muooohooouuaaaaoooooaaaaaaahaaahaaaahaaaaaaaa!

[drzhnn]

And just to be clear, I personally love the wavetable scripting

I'd hope so! You and drzhnn seem to be the two people taking most advantage of that feature outside of U-he HQ!

I'm sure there will be some great user-friendly "introduction to UHM scripting" series of posts or videos when Hive 1.2 is released. And many more people will happily use this thing.

Actually the scripting language is not hard at all, it's the current lack of documentation and easy to follow examples that makes it look complicated and hard to learn. It took me about two weeks of blind experimenting until it finally clicked and I started making scripts where I understand what I'm doing, for the most part And the problem wasn't in trigonometry functions (which I knew nothing about - and it turned out you don't need to understand this at all) but rather in very basic ideas behind the scripting itself. Like that the result of each formula line is just the amplitude of a single sample. And the formula is evaluated for each sample in the frame, step by step, from sample 1 to sample 2048. And that's how the waveform is drawn. After I realized that, everything else became clear. Two weeks though

[Urs]

Buchla / west coast ideas for Hive?! I didn’t see that coming. Cool! I have always put off buying Hive because I have figured I could do the same things in Zebra (and I am faster in Zebra than any other synth), but maybe I will have to reconsider.

Well, I guess Zebra is to Hive what Diva is to Repro and what Bazille is to ACE. They're siblings, but I would never go as far as to say one is just a lighter version of another.

[Teksonik]

So some people are upset because Hive is getting too many new features ? Suddenly Hive will lose its innocence and be tainted to the point of being useless ?

The world had gone mad I tell you....stark raving mad....

[chk071]

So some people are upset because Hive is getting too many new features ?

No. Read again.

[Teksonik]

So some people are upset because Hive is getting too many new features ?

No. Read again.

Let me reword the question. Some people are upset because Hive is getting the wrong new features ?

[Dasheesh]

So some people are upset because Hive is getting too many new features ?

No. Read again.

yeah, 1st, new features blindly thrown at a soft synth doesn't make it better. that's not what we are dealing with here though.

the problem is people want to use the new features and we don't know how. we expected them to be a simple matter of turning a knob or assigning a modulation. instead, many of us are now being forced to open old trig books and are staring at a learning curve nobody wants to tackle. it's like someone said earlier, there isn't much documentation on how to use it yet.

what I'm learning is today is you really don't HAVE to though. the functions of the physical interface allow you to mix waves and mash different wave tables together to build new waves without the scripting, and it's fun, and it sounds real nice.

[chk071]

So some people are upset because Hive is getting too many new features ?

No. Read again.

Let me reword the question. Some people are upset because Hive is getting the wrong new features ?

Well, I'm not upset. Just surprised about the change of direction of the synth. From very simple and easy to use to super nerdy. Not complaining, just commenting. Not everyone can chime in for the cheers.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

You could always stick with the current "official" version. If you're on a Mac [and need preset names to appear alphabetically] or need the new preset browser, then that might not be a great option, but otherwise, the official Hive release is no worse today than it was before the Tech Preview was released. Things will clearly be in a more polished state by the time any potential 2.0 comes out. Or just stick to the Tech Preview and ignore the new features entirely.

[hakey]

many of us are now being forced

edit - sorry, was a bit harsh. No one's being forced, though, are they?

[Robert Randolph]

Regarding the plan that's in the OP, that sounds awesome.

You guys rock, don't let the weirdos on the forum get you down. I'm super excited for the 1.2 release if you choose to do it that way.

[Teksonik]

Exactly, if you're happy with the current version of Hive then just stick with it or be disciplined enough to ignore any new feature if it's something you don't need or want.

I haven't got anything even resembling a clue about Scripting but I welcome the addition to the synth. If it broadens the range of sounds a synth can make then bring it on even though it may be something I don't personally use.

I don't have a problem with using a Wavetable or Script created by someone else if they were either released for free or part of a commercial package. I didn't program the Saw wave that comes in Hive either but I can use it without any semblance of guilt.......

[hakey]

Just surprised about the change of direction of the synth. From very simple and easy to use to super nerdy.

Loading a wavetable or .uhm is simple and non-nerdy. I can manage it and I'm no geek.

The scripting bit is certainly geeky, but entirely external to Hive - within Hive, one only sees the wavetable or .uhm file names.