Maybe it's me, but wasn't the plugin market already saturated years ago?!? aka Stop with the new plugins, already!!
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- KVRian
- 1268 posts since 12 Aug, 2004
Personally I have enjoyed the over-saturation of the plug-in market. The crazy sales and special discounts has enabled me to afford plug-ins that I otherwise could not.....and my music still sucks.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111304 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
there where several new generations of pokemon too.
gotta catch em all
gotta catch em all
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do_androids_dream do_androids_dream https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=164034 - KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
It will be all the neo maxi zoom dweebie's running wild..el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:36 pmdo_androids_dream wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:45 pmAbsolute freedom would be anarchy, hell. I feel pretty darn free, falsely or not.Daimonicon wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:10 pmNone are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Goethe.do_androids_dream wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:36 amWhat one buys is rarely about need. The freedom to try out new ideas would never be possible if everything was based on need only. Society would grind to a halt very quickly. Consumerism is actually freedom.Michael L wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:10 pm So much research shows people buy more (e.g. apps) than they actually need = consumerism.
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- KVRAF
- 7872 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
I think a lot of devs don't do it for the money. Seems they could make more doing something else if they wanted to.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
We all have absolute freedom in that sense. Nothing actually prevents you from stabbing your neighbor in the face with a spade while singing 1920s show tunes.do_androids_dream wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:45 pm Absolute freedom would be anarchy, hell. I feel pretty darn free, falsely or not.
... as long as you're a psychopath with no empathy or limits on what they can inflict upon others.
Which brings to question: what is true freedom?
Freedom from emotion? Are we free enough not to feel discontent when our icecream cone splatters across the sidewalk?
Are we free to discard that series of events, dismiss the passage of time and change the inevitable outcome resulting from pure unpredictable chaos?
Are we free to cease ever having existed?
Are we free to choose by our own will whether or not we have free will or make the decision at all?
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- KVRAF
- 2357 posts since 24 Nov, 2012
Free will is the feeling we get when we explore the possibilities of our agency. Agency is a probability space of behaviour (or action) where behaviour includes both physical and mental activityaciddose wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:06 amWe all have absolute freedom in that sense. Nothing actually prevents you from stabbing your neighbor in the face with a spade while singing 1920s show tunes.do_androids_dream wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:45 pm Absolute freedom would be anarchy, hell. I feel pretty darn free, falsely or not.
... as long as you're a psychopath with no empathy or limits on what they can inflict upon others.
Which brings to question: what is true freedom?
Freedom from emotion? Are we free enough not to feel discontent when our icecream cone splatters across the sidewalk?
Are we free to discard that series of events, dismiss the passage of time and change the inevitable outcome resulting from pure unpredictable chaos?
Are we free to cease ever having existed?
Are we free to choose by our own will whether or not we have free will or make the decision at all?
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
I don't get that feeling. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
More specifically: I'm consciously and consistently aware of many independent sub-systems interacting in their own space, some of which some other systems have a modicum of influence upon and others which seem mostly independent.
It's a lot like herding cats.
More specifically: I'm consciously and consistently aware of many independent sub-systems interacting in their own space, some of which some other systems have a modicum of influence upon and others which seem mostly independent.
It's a lot like herding cats.
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Work less; get more done.
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- KVRAF
- 2357 posts since 24 Nov, 2012
free will is a feeling - the feeling people get when they do something (or think something) without feeling coerced. Free will as normally construed - ie the ability to act unencumbered or without constraint other than the constraint of their "will" makes no sense. Free will as a feeling people have when they explore their agency makes more sense. To me anyway.aciddose wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:50 am I don't get that feeling. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
Yes I don't get that feeling so does that mean I don't have free will? Or maybe I don't have any feelings.
That makes me feel sad.
That makes me feel sad.
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Work less; get more done.
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- KVRAF
- 2357 posts since 24 Nov, 2012
it just means you dont get that feeling - or dont recognise that feeling maybe. Doesn't mean any more than that. I dont get the "free will" thing at all really - it just seems silly to me, a fantasy without any coherent basis. my definition is a way for me understand what it is that other people are talking aboutaciddose wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:57 am Yes I don't get that feeling so does that mean I don't have free will? Or maybe I don't have any feelings.
That makes me feel sad.
Here is an example - say you are tied up and struggling to escape - your struggle can be thought of as an exploration of your agency, your possibility for action given the circumstances. To that extent most people will get a feeling that they are willing their struggle, they are determining it - a struggle - as against not struggling. Many people talk about that sort of thing as "freely" taking action as against not taking action. For them taking action is an expression of their free will. I dont see it that way, I see that there is a feeling that arises when we explore our agency and that is the feeling of having "free will". Much in the same way that if a bee stings you you feel "hurt"
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
If you have any insulin available it's a very dangerous endeavor but I would suggest attempting a running blood glucose of approximately 2.0 mmol/L and observation of the effects.
... well that's actually probably going to kill you by stopping your heart or resulting in severe seizures and paralysis. I'm not certain what a standard issue human without a hyper efficient brain structure evolved to tolerate extreme glucose deficiency would tolerate safely.
It's about the point I start to feel it though and at 1.5 to 1.2 mmol/L my "thoughts" turn into pure gibberish and my perception of time fails.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyschronometria (not exactly... it's more accurate placement of events in time, not just perception of the passage of time: actually the effect I'm describing more gives the sense time is a delusion and doesn't exist or have any rational basis whatsoever. Psychosis is always a plausible explanation in these conditions, however.)
Other options include various psychoactive substances.
Another great one is if you learn what they call "mindfulness meditation". I developed this capability intuitively as a young child (~4 years?) and in reading about it far more recently (the past ten years the quality and amount of documentation has expanded tremendously) I've found many similarities to ancient Buddhist and other religious texts. This gave me a new respect and perspective on those documents as not so much works of fiction but rather collections of segmented documentation describing actual human experience... albeit in generally a very vague way limited by the language and knowledge of the time.
... well that's actually probably going to kill you by stopping your heart or resulting in severe seizures and paralysis. I'm not certain what a standard issue human without a hyper efficient brain structure evolved to tolerate extreme glucose deficiency would tolerate safely.
It's about the point I start to feel it though and at 1.5 to 1.2 mmol/L my "thoughts" turn into pure gibberish and my perception of time fails.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyschronometria (not exactly... it's more accurate placement of events in time, not just perception of the passage of time: actually the effect I'm describing more gives the sense time is a delusion and doesn't exist or have any rational basis whatsoever. Psychosis is always a plausible explanation in these conditions, however.)
Other options include various psychoactive substances.
Another great one is if you learn what they call "mindfulness meditation". I developed this capability intuitively as a young child (~4 years?) and in reading about it far more recently (the past ten years the quality and amount of documentation has expanded tremendously) I've found many similarities to ancient Buddhist and other religious texts. This gave me a new respect and perspective on those documents as not so much works of fiction but rather collections of segmented documentation describing actual human experience... albeit in generally a very vague way limited by the language and knowledge of the time.
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The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
There are plenty of ways people can re-post identical threads not just twice but hundreds or even thousands of times!
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The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
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- KVRer
- 28 posts since 13 Nov, 2018
I don't think the plugin market is saturated. What does it mean anyway? It's not every plugin that will be of interest for everyone, a lot of plugins carter at some specific needs. The audio plugin market can be declined into multiple specific markets, or "niche" markets if you will, in which the offer fulfill specific needs.
When someone state that the plugin market is saturated, he's not looking hard enough.
That doesn't mean some market can't be saturated, the video game market was saturated in 1983, so it crashed. The quality of games were really low (a lot of clones were released, or really cheap games) and it had a negative impact on the market. If the market had been saturated with good games, I don't think it would have crashed.
When someone state that the plugin market is saturated, he's not looking hard enough.
That doesn't mean some market can't be saturated, the video game market was saturated in 1983, so it crashed. The quality of games were really low (a lot of clones were released, or really cheap games) and it had a negative impact on the market. If the market had been saturated with good games, I don't think it would have crashed.