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bond themes are passé ...
all the cool kids are doing bourne themes ...
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Delta Sign wrote: Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:47 pm I've never been much of a Bond fan, apart from maybe Casino Royale, which was actually a great, well crafted movie and it wasn't as silly as the other ones. The completely lost it after that one again, though.
Serious Bond films are missing the point. It's all about sexist anachronism. They need to make them set in the 50s and 60s again so that there is a fun cold war as a backdrop, silly technology, and sweet tastefully covered backsides to slap.

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The themes belong in the context of the film, I think. It would be Shirley Bassey that stands out as performer. Paul McCartney "live and let die" is probably what works as music by itself.

I have this DVD box with all 24 Bond movies(£30 on amazon.co.uk) - and for me it's a historic document also reading the books as a kid and the magic of the first Sean Connery films.

As long as a film really takes a book, with real characters thought out and carved out by an author, as a foundation - it works better. The latest films are utterly crap, and just loose everything about character. And very last where Bond turns into a politically correct mail with feelings it falls apart. Desires is fine for a hero, but feelings...ughhh...not Bond, he's a playboy.

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lfm wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:41 am The latest films are utterly crap, and just loose everything about character. And very last where Bond turns into a politically correct mail with feelings it falls apart. Desires is fine for a hero, but feelings...ughhh...not Bond, he's a playboy.
Uh! I cannot see how a utterly f'd up James Bond like Graig's fits any political correctness. The days of political correctness was with Timothy Dalton, and he is long gone. Brosnan took Bond back to Connery style, but did not add much to this retro-turn.

Though before Dalton, they did try to humanise Bond but failed. In "On her majesty's secret service" (1969), where Bond for a moment was played by George Lazenby, he falls in love with the Bond girl and they plan to marry, but of course she is killed in the end.

The playboy thing was actually first really pronounced with Roger Moore and his upper class elegance, arrogance, and his stream of patronizing jokes, which made him one dimensional but funny all the way through.

You are writing to a dedicated fan, and it is of course most important that we get these things right for future students of this higher art form :uhuhuh: :phew: :oops: :party:

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And since You only Live Twice has been mentioned a couple of times, lets get it up. It would be nr. 6 on my list, not at least because it is sung by sweet Nancy Sinatra. Not surprisingly, it is John Barry doing his magic again:


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Live and Let Die
The Living Daylights
A View to a Kill
For Your Eyes Only
Diamonds Are Forever
This is the same method MJ used when he was working on Anthony Marinelli's Thriller.

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IncarnateX wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:58 am Though before Dalton, they did try to humanise Bond but failed...

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You are writing to a dedicated fan, and it is of course most important that we get these things right for future students of this higher art form :uhuhuh: :phew: :oops: :party:
Though maybe not to the extent of consulting the novels.

The current movies are closest in spirit to the originals, not least for following the Vesper Lynd arc and how Bond becomes gradually more self-destructive. You could argue that all the Bonds are too likeable – Fleming wanted an anti-hero - but it's hard to get people to stump up cinema-ticket money for heroes they don't like.

Also, Fleming was a terrible writer so I've every sympathy for screenwriters who want to mix it up a bit.

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"Fleming was a terrible writer".

That's what my aunt who lived in England said too. I never read one of the books, only watched the movies.

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Chitty Chitty Bang Bang! Is a classic! :x
“The Generals sat, and the lines on the map, moved from side to side.”
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Gamma-UT wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:55 pm Though maybe not to the extent of consulting the novels.
??? And what makes you think this? I have read all the classics and none of the films are particularly close to the orginal narrative, apart from Goldfinger. What Bond films are to me (in contrast to the novels) are really the first movie, Dr. No, told in countless variations. The James Bond in the novel is nowhere this light headed smart A that already was introduced in Dr.No but a much more hardcore and cynical killer.

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IncarnateX wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:39 pm ??? And what makes you think this? I have read all the classics and none of the films are particularly close to the orginal narrative, apart from Goldfinger.
Ok, if you say so.

CoughFromRussiaWithLoveCough

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IncarnateX wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:58 am
lfm wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:41 am The latest films are utterly crap, and just loose everything about character. And very last where Bond turns into a politically correct mail with feelings it falls apart. Desires is fine for a hero, but feelings...ughhh...not Bond, he's a playboy.
Uh! I cannot see how a utterly f'd up James Bond like Graig's fits any political correctness. The days of political correctness was with Timothy Dalton, and he is long gone. Brosnan took Bond back to Connery style, but did not add much to this retro-turn.
The part where Daniel Craig grieved the woman he lost - was more like politically correct sensitive modern man who just swapped dipers on his baby - not the playboy I feel Bond is supposed to be. Much too human and depressed and all that.

I heard a lot of criticism of Brosnan before I got this box(haven't been to the movies i decades), but really like his Bond character and films at least had some kind of story. Pretty good, I felt, those films.

Right now I am at Roger Moore, which handled it really well I think. But he used the same style as The Saint, kind of.

I looked at all from most recent and soon at the very first ones with Connery who started it all.

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Gamma-UT wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:56 pm
CoughFromRussiaWithLoveCough
okay, forgot that. Goldfinger appeared closer in memory.

As one should expect, the movies go further and further away from the books, e.g. Man with the Golden gun and Moonraker are not even close.

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lfm wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:59 pm
IncarnateX wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:58 am
lfm wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:41 am The latest films are utterly crap, and just loose everything about character. And very last where Bond turns into a politically correct mail with feelings it falls apart. Desires is fine for a hero, but feelings...ughhh...not Bond, he's a playboy.
Uh! I cannot see how a utterly f'd up James Bond like Graig's fits any political correctness. The days of political correctness was with Timothy Dalton, and he is long gone. Brosnan took Bond back to Connery style, but did not add much to this retro-turn.
The part where Daniel Craig grieved the woman he lost - was more like politically correct sensitive modern man who just swapped dipers on his baby - not the playboy I feel Bond is supposed to be. Much too human and depressed and all that.
Yep. Quantum Solace was an OK film, but, that revenge scheme just didn't fit. Bond never gave a crap about any of his women. No offense, just the way it always was.

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lfm wrote: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:59 pm
I looked at all from most recent and soon at the very first ones with Connery who started it all.
bob holness (blockbusters fame) had played the role on radio previous to any films.

(cue mandella effect changing that bloody fact too :x )
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